Elan M100 S2 Steering

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Elan M100 S2 Steering

Postby grahamk » Tue 19.04.2016, 20:00

Has anyone got any ideas on this one please? I've got 2 M100 Elan S2's and the steering is a lot heavier on one than the other.

I've had a replacement steering pump and refurbished rack fitted, and the steering u/j's have been checked, the PAS pipes have all been checked, flushed and new fluid used. The steering is still stiff, although slightly better than before all the work was done.

Any ideas where to go next anyone?

Thanking you in advance.
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Re: Elan M100 S2 Steering

Postby Brit-Car-Nut » Tue 19.04.2016, 20:55

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Re: Elan M100 S2 Steering

Postby John_W » Tue 19.04.2016, 21:02

:agree:

But here's one that sInce you have two you can compare... Are both steering wheels in the same place?

Andrew Ennis had a stiff steering problem a few years ago that he traced to a numpty mechanic using a hammer to shock the steering wheel free from the column. The collapsible steering column. Designed to shorten and collapse on impact. Like getting hit by a hammer.
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It required a new steering column.

It's something to check.

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Re: Elan M100 S2 Steering

Postby Simon_P » Wed 20.04.2016, 09:32

Does one have a replacement rack fitted?
The se rack has different valving and would be heavier.

Edit - That should be LIGHTER
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Re: Elan M100 S2 Steering

Postby grahamk » Tue 03.05.2016, 21:24

Thanks to everyone who offered advice and suggestions. When the rack was replaced, it had new track rod ends fitted. I've checked the steering column between the two cars and they both measure up the same. The front wheels were swapped with the rear wheels and the opportunity was taken to have new tyres fitted on the front and all the wheels were rebalanced and new self-adhesive weights were used. A full geo check was done when the rack was fitted and everything is within limits. The result is that the steering is not as heavy as before, but still not as light as the other car. I've spoken to the specialists who reconditioned the rack, and they assured me S2 valves were used when they reconditioned it. I'm ok with the steering as it is, but the other half doesn't feel comfortable with it. Solution - get another girlfriend???!!
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Re: Elan M100 S2 Steering

Postby clemo » Tue 03.05.2016, 21:42

his and her's elans ?
Jim Clark S2 on the way . The one with the Yellow spoke wheels .
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Re: Elan M100 S2 Steering

Postby Simon_P » Tue 03.05.2016, 22:08

Do they both have the same original S2 wheels and same size tyres?

Do they both have the same steering wheel? ie original wheel or Nardi option? I think the Nardi is smaller diameter so will make steering heavier.

What is the castor setting measured?
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Re: Elan M100 S2 Steering

Postby grahamk » Thu 05.05.2016, 20:07

Hi Simon,
Both have the original S2 wheels and tyre sizes (205/45 R 16). The tyre pressures are the same as well 29 psi). Both have Nardi steering wheels fitted. The castor on left front is 1 42@; left front 1 38'
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Re: Elan M100 S2 Steering

Postby grahamk » Thu 05.05.2016, 20:08

His and his at the moment (Shame!!!)
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Re: Elan M100 S2 Steering

Postby Simon_P » Thu 05.05.2016, 21:30

With the engine off.

Jack up the front of the car so that the wheels are off the ground.

The steering should be very light and both cars should be the same.

If they are the different it is mechanical, if they are the same it is hydraulic.

If they are different undo the track rod ends each wheel should steer easily the steering wheel should be ultra light. The offending article will be tight.
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Re: Elan M100 S2 Steering

Postby Simon_P » Thu 05.05.2016, 21:45

grahamk wrote:The castor on left front is 1 42@; left front 1 38'

The spec is 1 Degree +1/2 -0 That is equivalent to 1 30' so it looks like they are a little outside spec. But more castor will give you lighter steering.
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