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When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby donsladek » Sat 16.12.2017, 17:01

Ran across this article By John Simister on the Goodwood Road and Racing site:

When Kia sold a Lotus

Short history of the M100 and the follow-on Kia Elan, leading up to the present day Kia Stinger.
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby clemo » Sun 17.12.2017, 16:14

Interesting read . Thanks for sharing .
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby Rambo » Sun 17.12.2017, 20:48

Yes, an interesting article but I wholeheartedly disagree with the latter part of his statement.......

" I would say the M100 Elan fulfilled its '90 per cent' brief, but it just wasn't that much fun to drive"

:? :?

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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby Rusty Wishbone » Sun 17.12.2017, 21:57

Thanks. It is a good read. Certainly, compared with modern cars, it is great fun to drive. Maybe a Peugeot 205 Gti would have been more 'fun' at the time because of lower grip levels. But this depends what you think fun is.
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby Rusty Wishbone » Wed 20.12.2017, 00:00

And I've added a comment at the end of the column - I've never seen anyone else add one, so I thought that I would give it a go.
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby lotusflasherman » Wed 20.12.2017, 02:06

Rambo wrote:Yes, an interesting article but I wholeheartedly disagree with the latter part of his statement.......

" I would say the M100 Elan fulfilled its '90 per cent' brief, but it just wasn't that much fun to drive"

:? :? :burnout:


John Simister is a pillock of the First Order... because he's a motoring journalist people believe the crap he writes but he has no credibility to me. I'll pay attention to Tiff Needell or Jason Plato who know how to drive but this guy is just 'a waste of space' !
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby Rambo » Wed 20.12.2017, 22:12

lotusflasherman wrote:
Rambo wrote:Yes, an interesting article but I wholeheartedly disagree with the latter part of his statement.......

" I would say the M100 Elan fulfilled its '90 per cent' brief, but it just wasn't that much fun to drive"

:? :? :burnout:


John Simister is a pillock of the First Order...' !


Phil, you are far too kind !!

I would suggest that if JS didn't find the M100 fun to drive he wasn't driving it right in the 1st place
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby clemo » Wed 20.12.2017, 22:28

I wonder if he would be interested in the " when Mazda sold Kia the E2000 carpet fitters van" .

Also a limited run that WillB and myself failed to drive to Gambia in .
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby lotusflasherman » Thu 21.12.2017, 02:40

Rambo wrote: Phil, you are far too kind !!

I would suggest that if JS didn't find the M100 fun to drive he wasn't driving it right in the 1st place


:agree: ... he's written for the Independent & The Times and his articles never seem to 'inform' about the car, I wonder if he ever drives them, and always full of him or irrelevant stuff and his style makes me cringe ...
examples -
"I was never much good at differential calculus when I was at school. Had I been, maybe I would have been an engineer rather than a journalist..."
"The Lotus Evora, looking like an upscaled Elise, arrived in 2009. Now it has been reworked into the Evora 400, a car that pulls off the same trick..."
"Peugeot used to make some of the best hot hatchbacks around. Cars that were laugh-out-loud fun – machines such as the 205 GTI, ..." :smt078
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby Don.Hasi » Wed 27.12.2017, 21:36

The modern classics mag has challenged the best FWD cars incl the M100. Might be interesting where it gets out.


The term with the boring attitude comes more often from the sort of drivers who find themselves (!) to be a hardcore racer and want to tell it the world... nothing more than a typical 5-6year old boy behaviour to please other boys... :roll:


@ Phil: which Riviera do you own also? :)
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby lotusflasherman » Thu 28.12.2017, 14:30

Don.Hasi wrote: @ Phil: which Riviera do you own also? :)


:offtopic: sorry guys but it's polite to answer ...
Don, it's this one ..
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Riviera was a special edition removable grp roof panel (not glass as incorrectly stated in Mathew Vale's 'definitive book') offered on Type 83 Elite or Type 84 Eclat to try to boost sales.
They made 133 T83 & 223 T84 in total and I read somewhere just over 80 Riviera were made split about 30 on T83 Elite, about 50 on T84 Eclat. Now that's a Limited Edition ! :lol:

My Riviera has 2.2 engine, Getrag 5 speed box, aircon, Speedline wheels (different PCD to Speedlines on Excels), full width front spoiler, boot lid spoiler, louvres in bonnet different to earlier models and electric motors operate headlights.
Oh ... and Rambo - it has black rear view mirrors too... :bowdown:
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby Don.Hasi » Thu 28.12.2017, 20:54

Nice one, Phil.

Looks very similar to mine 8) I read somewhere from 69 Eclat and 12 Elite. Which Vin do you have ? Maybe we have build number neighbours :)
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Sorry for hijacking, but Kia is after all these years only now at the point with the stinger where Lotus has been 40yeras before without the sharp looking. And mine has also black view mirrors :-D
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby GeoffSmith » Thu 28.12.2017, 21:00

10 p(o)ints for guessing where this one was photographed.

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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby Saltire » Fri 29.12.2017, 08:11

SN14 7EY?

And it’s a Leicester registration on the Eclat - probably came from Storm, like my S2.

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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby GeoffSmith » Fri 29.12.2017, 11:24

Hook line and sinker! :lol:

Close…

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… but no cigar.

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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby lotusflasherman » Fri 29.12.2017, 12:52

Don.Hasi wrote:Which Vin do you have ? Maybe we have build number neighbours :)
:-D


What colour is yours? Can't be sure from the photo but looks like might be Roman Purple ? Mine is Signal Red - thought my first M100 was same colour but Collapso faded to pink, Signal Red is still red after 35 years!

Serial Number (last 4 digits) of mine is 1137 and engine number ends ###20301.
Inside of mine is not good. Foam backing to headlining material decomposed to a brown powder so I got it out with a vacuum cleaner and re-glued it with an aerosol adhesive which is now showing through a bit brown - not very elegant. :(
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby GeoffSmith » Fri 29.12.2017, 12:58

Here's one just for Kathryn...

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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby lotusflasherman » Fri 29.12.2017, 14:34

GeoffSmith wrote:Hook line and sinker! :lol:

Close…

… but no cigar.



Well I knew it couldn't be 'Combe - foliage all wrong for Wiltshire and too many steering wheels on the wrong side - but where was it Geoff? Somewhere in Andalusia ? :smt017
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby Bern » Fri 29.12.2017, 14:42

The yellow Esprit looks like it could be USA spec. There's also a lack of front number plates (apart from the Eclat red herring (which may have been another Lotus limited edition perhaps?)).
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Re: When Kia sold a Lotus - Goodwood Road and Racing

Postby lotusflasherman » Fri 29.12.2017, 14:50

Yeah, I was also wondering about US because lack of front plates and the large range of types, ages etc.. nearly everything from Climax Elite to Evora and a Lotus Cortina Estate ??? That's a new one on me!
Turn out probably too big for anywhere in Europe as well ... Geoff ??? :poke:
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