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Problem when changing my hoses

Postby chris.t » Fri 17.02.2006, 18:37

Getting my hoses changed over to my Samco ones and i've hit a problem. The heater valve connection is badly corroded and needs replacing. B&C say the part is obselete :(

Has anyone got one they would like to sell or has anyone found a source for these or an equivalent valve?

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Postby Monty » Fri 17.02.2006, 18:43

chris,

I`ve got one of pinky1 u can have, it`s rusty but intact. PM me u`r address if u want it.

I thought it was easly available :? have u checked that Part Cross-Reference section?
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Postby chris.t » Fri 17.02.2006, 18:48

fekking hell that was quick - the wonders of LEC will never cease to amaze me. Yeh i'll gladly take it off your hands. I'll PM you with my details.

Just trawled the cross ref and nothing seems to be there

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Postby John_W » Fri 17.02.2006, 21:20

Chris,

Eurojag Ltd in Darlington do them. 01325 722777. They're a Jaguar part which is compatible.

DESCRIPTION QUANTITY PRICE COST
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Heater Valve - CBC2536A 1 £20.05 £20.05
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Subtotal: £20.05
VAT: £3.51
Total: £23.56

I can't remember which Jag - some sort of XJ I think. I bought one last year and it's all but identical (haven't got round to fitting it yet though - waiting to do it with the new hoses.

Do not be tempted to order on-line from Eurojag - nothing happens. 'Phone them up.

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edited to say: Well, well,
look what I found! Same part number and only £27 + £2.50 p&p.
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Postby Monty » Fri 17.02.2006, 21:50

Good find John,

I wonder if this might give us better heating in the car, if u look down the stock valve the flap only cracks open slightly ( :lol: ) and i`m sure if it opened more to allow more flow of water we would get nice hot air :?
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Postby chris.t » Sat 18.02.2006, 09:00

Well done john, good find. Monty what i'll do is give Eurojag a call on Monday (today if they're open) and see if they've got the part. If they have i'll get one to save you sending yours down - i'll let you know the outcome.

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Postby chris.t » Sat 18.02.2006, 09:14

Monty wrote:Good find John,

I wonder if this might give us better heating in the car, if u look down the stock valve the flap only cracks open slightly ( :lol: ) and i'm sure if it opened more to allow more flow of water we would get nice hot air :?

i wondered that Monty. The valve as it stands would almost operate on an on/off principle rather than regulating
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Postby Sy V » Sun 19.02.2006, 07:27

I have discovered the same rotten syndrome (whilst replacing Stripey's hoses yesterday) on my control valve too - except mine was much worse than the photo above, with only half the length of metal remaining and in some places around the circumference there was practically none left.
For the moment, I've taken it out and bypassed it by inserting a plain metal tube in its place. Result? Nice hot air but only to my feet (and yes, I have replaced the small tube to the rear of the plenum).
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Postby Doug » Sun 19.02.2006, 08:03

From the CommonParts page:

11/2002: from Greg Carpenter
Title: Elan Heater Valve
Message: I have confirmed that the vacuum-operated Elan Heater Valve is identical to that used in Volvo's 740/940 models. This may or may not make it cheaper, but will certainly help with availability.
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Phoned up Classic Components (telephone +44 (0)1324 722777--also known as Eurojag) and found them to be very helpful. Basically the heater valve part no. C41051A is the one I fitted. It's off a series 3 XJ6 and a also fitted to the XJS. The price is £17.95 plus VAT plus postage and packaging of £1.50. Another option (and I recon the slightly better one) is to fit a valve part number CBC2536. This vacuum operated heater control valve is off a Jag XJ40, it's the same price but apparently a little bit smaller as valve part no. C41051A has a small bracket on it allowing it to be mounted to the bulkhead.

To the right is a photo of the jag heater control valve fitted to my M100. As you can see, the vacuum unit is a lot bigger but the valve works a treat.
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Postby chris.t » Sun 19.02.2006, 12:37

this is what LEC is all about and why it is sio valuable-i would be in panic mode if it wasn't for you lot

A big thank you from me
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Postby Dico » Sun 19.02.2006, 18:53

Which one are you going for Chris?
The 1st or the 2nd one from eurojag?
although the second ones smaller (and with a bracket) might the 1st one provide a better flow/more heat being bigger?

so many questions!

Thoughts anyone :?

Looks nice and new whatever. Think i'll be fitting one even though mine
looks fine.
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Postby chris.t » Mon 20.02.2006, 09:19

i shall be going for the 2nd one. its the one John has got. This valve is a simple butterfly device, when fully open the butterfly location is approximately at 45 deg to the flow. The only way flow will be increased is by getting the butterfly to turn to 0 deg to the flow therefore offering least resistance. Anyways I'm ordering it today and i'll post my results. If it don't work proper i'll put it down to experience and get the other one. Don't want full heating in the summer which is what i've got now!!!
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Postby PaulN » Mon 20.02.2006, 09:36

John_W wrote:Chris,

Eurojag Ltd in Darlington do them. 01325 722777. They're a Jaguar part which is compatible.

DESCRIPTION QUANTITY PRICE COST
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Heater Valve - CBC2536A 1 £20.05 £20.05
========================================
Subtotal: £20.05
VAT: £3.51
Total: £23.56

I can't remember which Jag - some sort of XJ I think. I bought one last year and it's all but identical (haven't got round to fitting it yet though - waiting to do it with the new hoses.

Do not be tempted to order on-line from Eurojag - nothing happens. 'Phone them up.

John


I agree this is where i got my vacuum controlled valve, Its just about a perfect replacement. Got the invoice at home so cant confirm the order but if you email or fax the photo of the current one they will check.

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Postby Sy V » Mon 20.02.2006, 10:44

Mine's ordered.

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I said I'd never 'eard of 'im mate!

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Postby woody » Mon 20.02.2006, 12:58

Mines ordered, but now out of stock, Ben should have more delivered in a few days.
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Postby Dico » Mon 20.02.2006, 14:11

Mines also ordered.

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Postby chris.t » Mon 20.02.2006, 16:29

Sy V wrote:I have discovered the same rotten syndrome (whilst replacing Stripey's hoses yesterday) on my control valve too - except mine was much worse than the photo above, with only half the length of metal remaining and in some places around the circumference there was practically none left.
For the moment, I've taken it out and bypassed it by inserting a plain metal tube in its place. Result? Nice hot air but only to my feet (and yes, I have replaced the small tube to the rear of the plenum).

Sy was your rot on the inlet to the valve?
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Postby Sy V » Mon 20.02.2006, 19:03

Yes mate, just like your photo except somewhat more dramatic - any attempt to get a seal using the hose clips just crushed what metal was left!
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Postby nitroman » Tue 21.02.2006, 02:15

Mine still looks good, but you gotta wonder about those metal/plastic bonded parts. It reminds me of the way they do radiators. To me, its like oil & water; they don't mix. Surely an engineer looking for a pat on the head from a bean-counter came up with this idea.
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Postby chris.t » Tue 21.02.2006, 14:03

just received the new valve and on the face it it seems a better design albeit larger than the original. It is an all metal construction. When the valve is fully open there is no restriction to flow so i'm expecting a little more heat output from the matrix. Should know later today.
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