F1 formula one chat/stuff

[M100_DMM]

Hi Paul, I'm here!

Sorry for the long absence, been a bit ill.

I am going to have my work cut out to defend my favourite team, i admit.

I feel really sorry for Pat Symonds, he was a great strategist and all round good bloke.

I also liked Flavio, and think a lifetime ban is ridiculous.

Calculating risk is part of all motor sport, and although i do agree in principle what Flavio, Pat & Nelsinho did
was wrong, you must admit it was a very clever, audacious piece of quick thinking, if somewhat too clever.

Williams will have a Renault engine next year, remember a moderately successful team called Rothmans Williams Renault, all you Renault detractors?

Renault will win again, unlike some other 'manufacturer' teams, they are present in F1 not just to add a 'halo' effect, but are
a real racing team, and always will be. They don't bale out when things are not going their way - do not confuse them with the likes of Honda & BMW.

My biggest problem now is which team to support next year, Renault or Lotus ? I am very excited about Lotus' return.


Oliver

What happened at Singapore last year was indefensible.

Motor racing is dangerous enough without deliberately engineering a crash which had the potential to be injurious to spectators, marshals and other competitors. Two marshals have died at F1 races in the last decade and need I mention poor Henry Surtees? Everyone involved in motor sport (participant or spectator) accepts that there are inherent risks: accidents do happen. However, what happened in Singapore was no accident; rather, it was a blatant example of wilful and reckless conduct which showed no regard for the safety of others. Personally, and much as I acknowledge Renault's contribution to F1 (I've been following F1 long enough to remember watching their first victory at Dijon in '79), I think that sterner action than that dished out by the FIA was warranted. And that's before we even consider the cheating aspect to all this.....................................

[Andy_J]

I do a lot of marshaling at motorsports events up here is scotland and am happy to accept the risks involved with genuine racing, but a deliberate dangerous act such as this should only have one punishment. A ban for life for all those involved. Remember most marshals are vollunteers, we are there for safety.

Oliver- it was not clever, audacious piece of quick thinking, it was down right dagerous and unacceptable in all ways . What would you be saying if his car had gone up in flames, a marshall be injured or a spectator, another car hit him???

[Oliver]

Well done Fernando & Bob Bell. A job well done in the face of adversity. We are on the up again !

Oh and i nearly forgot - fastest lap as well.

[Monty]

:agree:

I do a lot of marshaling at motorsports events up here is scotland and am happy to accept the risks involved with genuine racing, but a deliberate dangerous act such as this should only have one punishment. A ban for life for all those involved. Remember most marshals are vollunteers, we are there for safety.

Oliver- it was not clever, audacious piece of quick thinking, it was down right dagerous and unacceptable in all ways . What would you be saying if his car had gone up in flames, a marshall be injured or a spectator, another car hit him???

Just a shame that we have members on here who have a few dead brain cells


Yeah really clever, lets put the whole Renault F1 team in danger of losing there jobs for fix one insignificant race

[MPx]

Wooooahhh! hold back on the personal comments...we're just expressing different points of view.

I dont support Renault and particularly not the oily snake Flavio - who seems just an Italian Bernie clone to me. But....IMO this is wrong cos its cheating not cos its dangerous. I really dont believe that anyone into motorsport (marshal or otherwise) is really there for safety reasons (maybe their function....but not why they're there). Yes safety is important - and when things go wrong, as they inevitably do, there's a demand to learn from it and to try to avoid a similar disaster. So deliberately crashing is obviouisly a heinous crime and should always result in a lifetime ban...like the one on Senna when he took out Prost deliberately....or on Sheumy when he took out Hill, or Villeneuve, or whoever.... At least this time the car was aimed at a wall and not another competitor.

Marshalls do a fantastic job and track action wouldn't happen without them....spectators pay for it all and it wouldn't happen without they're money....but everyone involved knows that every so often there's a crash....and every so often someone gets hurt as a result. Cheating at any sport just seems to me to be the antithesis of what its all about. Its the cheating that hurts F1. Perversely, a few more crashes would probably increase its popularity!

[Oliver]

Thanks MPx, as you say, we have different points of view. It is still (just, maybe), a free country.

Whichever way you look at it, Nelsinho had his hands & feet on the controls, not Renault.

[Monty]

Wooooahhh! hold back on the personal comments...we're just expressing different points of view.

There`s nothing wrong with different points of view, but when somone makes a stupid comment and defends such a dangerous act deserves a response. So Wooooooahhhhhhh to yourself!


I remember a marshal losing his life when hit by a very small piece of Carbon fiber from incident on the track, i agree with Oliver on Nelson too, IMHO he should of got a life ban too.

Still good to see Alonso come 3rd, but how he can still class that race from last year is beyond me, i`d be ashame to even admit to that

BTW there`s no harm in supporting Lotus & Renault, i`d imagine it`ll be difficult for Lotus to be up with the top teams then again it`s been a strange year.

[rip]

Whichever way you look at it, Nelsinho had his hands & feet on the controls, not Renault.

Yes & the decision was all about money. He was being paid a huge amounts of money to follow orders & he was ordered to crash. Piquet was in a no-win situation. If he didn't crash, he would have been sacked last season & possibly immediately after that race.

[lotos]

Brawn GP is happy either way - and the current strategy is going to give them both:

That's a very bold prediction, lotos.

I'm sure they're well aware of the threat from Vettel (Brawn must be so grateful that Red Bull's race strategies have not been up to scratch) and from a recovering Ferrari.

This season has still got a long way to go; the Fat Lady hasn't even been booked yet!

Well it's a virtual lock for the driver's championship - Vettel would have to basically win the next 3 races, with Button not getting any points. So it's down to the Brawn boys to duke it out, and 15 points is a lot of ground to cover for Rubens in only 3 races. But, anything can happen so I wouldn't be too surprised to see that happen. He certainly wants it (the radio call with 2 laps left in Singapore asking if he could outrun Button...).

The real race now is the Constructor's. Red Bull has a chance there.

[theelanman]

cummon JB......
first time since the 60's that a team has turned out as a new team and won a title first time out...
I know it was honda and I bet theyre kicking them selves but good to see never the less

[theelanman]

how he (Alonso) can still class that race from last year is beyond me, i`d be ashame to even admit to that

I agree having now heard about whats happened he may be embarrased......
but if he knew nothing then...in theory its still his race win......
I'll admit if it were me its a trophy I'd probably keep...but at my mums in the basement......
its the team trophy that needs to go back.......

too much money and corruption in the sport thanks to bernie and max......
what would you expect from the tea boy at tyrrell and herre latex?
ACBC was asked to do it all in the 70's and refused because he was a team owner.....I wish he had...I reckon it'd be a much better sport now.......

[theelanman]

LATEST DONINGTON NEWS........as of today

Donington Park bosses have not revealed if it has the funds and plans in place to satisfy F1 bosses it is ready to host next year's British Grand Prix.

Circuit management have less than 24 hours to provide Formula 1 surpremo Bernie Ecclestone with evidence of its ability to hold the event.

It will cost £80m to bring the Leicestershire circuit up to standard.

The venue could be in danger of losing the 2010 race, one which would bring huge investment to the East Midlands.

The company which operates the track has faced legal and planning problems since being given the rights to stage the race and has declined all week to comment on whether it will be able to meet the latest deadline set by Mr Ecclestone.

Bosses at the track have continually dismissed doubts over its ability to host the event.

Motor racing at Donington Park ended last month so work could begin to prepare the venue for next year's grand prix.

Speaking last week Mr Ecclestone told BBC Sport: "Donington have had 'a bit more time' three times...they can't have much more."

The last major race at Donington was the British Moto GP in July.

Donington Park secured the contract to host the British Grand Prix from next year in July 2008, at the expense of Silverstone, which has been home to the race since 1987.

[lotos]

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Am I the only one who thought "Alguersuari just crashed to give Vettel the win for RBR" ?

[Nige]

I think he would still have won even if Alguesari hadn't crashed

[chris.t]

I think he would still have won even if Alguesari hadn't crashed

deffo Vettel was a class act today

[lotos]

Certainly ran about a flawless race today - but the crash seemed odd to me, especially in light of the '08 Singapore discussions. Vettel's engine is delicate and also still needed in another race - what better way to slow him down but ensure him a victory then bring out a safety car with a handful of laps left... Just something I was pondering.

BTW I think it was crap with the overnight grid changes. The rules require a slower speed than your previous run. They didn't break the rules.

[Nige]

Certainly ran about a flawless race today - but the crash seemed odd to me, especially in light of the '08 Singapore discussions. Vettel's engine is delicate and also still needed in another race - what better way to slow him down but ensure him a victory then bring out a safety car with a handful of laps left... Just something I was pondering.

BTW I think it was crap with the overnight grid changes. The rules require a slower speed than your previous run. They didn't break the rules.

Possible I suppose, but that was one heck of a crash with an uncertain outcome and a huge risk to take.

Agree with you on the grid changes overnight, most disappointing. I accept the changes may have been within the letter of the law but the sequence of qualifying incidents didn't give many a chance.

[M100_DMM]

Brawn GP is happy either way - and the current strategy is going to give them both:

That's a very bold prediction, lotos.

I'm sure they're well aware of the threat from Vettel (Brawn must be so grateful that Red Bull's race strategies have not been up to scratch) and from a recovering Ferrari.

This season has still got a long way to go; the Fat Lady hasn't even been booked yet!

Well it's a virtual lock for the driver's championship - Vettel would have to basically win the next 3 races, with Button not getting any points. So it's down to the Brawn boys to duke it out, and 15 points is a lot of ground to cover for Rubens in only 3 races. But, anything can happen so I wouldn't be too surprised to see that happen. He certainly wants it (the radio call with 2 laps left in Singapore asking if he could outrun Button...).

The real race now is the Constructor's. Red Bull has a chance there.

Well, the constructors title is all but wrapped up, so hearty congratulations to Brawn GP. They have done a fantastic job.

The drivers title is really now Button's to lose. I can't see him losing it if his car stays reliable. A DNF in Brazil, coupled with a win for Vettel and a podium for Barrichello would give us a grandstand finish to the season, though. I've nothing against Button but I would, as a fan of the sport, love to see the title fight go to the wire in Abu Dhabi.

As for next year, well the rumour mill is now in full swing. Button isn't confirmed at Brawn; McLaren might split with Mercedes at the end of this season (which would be one hell of a shock); Raikkonen could be going to McLaren, Brawn or Red Bull (even though they have drivers contracted for 2010); and Williams will vote against the former BMW team being granted entry as the 14th team on the grid.

[lotos]

Button isn't confirmed at Brawn

I think it'll be interesting to see if Brawn is even competitive next year - the rumor is that Honda put up gobs and gobs of money this year to have Ross take over the team, effectively being the sole sponsor incognito. I'd like to see who puts up the dough next year for them (of course, winning both titles makes that job a helluva lot easier!)

[daveA]

M100_DMM wrote:
Button isn't confirmed at Brawn

Maybe JB waiting to drive for lotus

http://www.lotus-central.com/index.php/ ... unnel.html

daveA