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A panel fixing

Postby Fetnas » Wed 12.04.2017, 11:14

OK, here is a slightly different problem.

The A panel on my car is loose at the bottom. Nothing overly unusual about that. The problem is that I can't secure it properly. I had to remove the panel a while back to repair some rodent damaged wiring to the drivers side indicator. This is when i found the problem. In the past, someone has forced the rawl nut out of the hole in the fiber glass nearest to the door opening cracked the fiber glass and enlarged the hole. A new rawl nut can't grab the fiber glass as the hole is now too big.

Up to now I've been using tape to hold the panel in place as I wasn't sure how I would go about fixing this damage. I don't want to go down the route of fiber glassing over the hole as that process is long and slow. I've though about putting a plate behind the hole to give the rawl nut something to grab, but I don't know how I'd go about getting in there. Is it possible to access the inside of the sill to even try this? Is there a larger size rawl nut I could use that would work with the larger hole?

My car was also missing the clamp plate at the bottom of the panel, I've made some out of stainless, but it didn't help with the over sized hole issue. I seem to remember that some double sided tape has been between the A panel and the sill, a solution of sorts, but not what I'm after.

I'm not expecting much of a response, but any helpful suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: A panel fixing

Postby HJ2 » Wed 12.04.2017, 12:01

Couldn't you just glue a fixing nut in the now oversized hole with epoxy + glass pearls mixed so the glue won't run before it cures?
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Re: A panel fixing

Postby Fetnas » Wed 12.04.2017, 13:22

Thanks H2J, yes, that sounds like a plausible solution. My thinking hadn't progressed past using the original rawl nut fixing system.

I would need to make sure the top of the nut doesn't sit too proud and stop the A panel from locating properly. I'd also need to get glue inside the sill to maximise the contact surface area, which again would be possible if access to the inside is available. Surely people who've checked their front jack mounting point could tell me if there is clearance to reach into the sill.

Another thought, would a riv nut do the trick? www.rivtec.com.au/threaded-inserts-rivet-nuts I guess my main concern would be cracking the already stressed fiber glass when clamping the rivnut, or I simply epoxy one of these in place? I already have a non sag construction grade epoxy which would be perfect for the job.

Your suggestion has opened up a new path of thinking for me which is just what I needed, thanks. :smt038
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Re: A panel fixing

Postby par » Wed 12.04.2017, 15:24

All the fixings for the lower edge of the A-panel had completely corroded on mine so I used 2 new rubber rivnuts fixed in place with araldite epoxy, I then made a bracket out of aluminium L section to clamp down on on the fibreglass edge as the ends were damaged when removed. I also added a strip of double sided number plate tape to the underside of the L-bracket as a belt & braces approach rather than having to over tighten the bolts into the rivnuts.

Seems to be holding up at the moment.
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Re: A panel fixing

Postby lotusflasherman » Wed 12.04.2017, 18:41

Fetnas wrote: A new rawl nut can't grab the fiber glass as the hole is now too big.


I'd just fill the hole with Isopon P40, wait 30 minutes, drill a new hole for the rawlnut, job done... :bananasex:
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Re: A panel fixing

Postby HJ2 » Wed 12.04.2017, 19:20

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Re: A panel fixing

Postby Simon_P » Wed 12.04.2017, 22:55

Take a suitable setscrew and a large washer or suitable piece of plate.

Put the washer on the screw and holding the thread with pliers put the screw and washer head first into the hole, drop the clamp plate over the top and put on a nut... Tighten-up

Don't use a stainless washer or bolt as you can't pick them up with a magnet.
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Re: A panel fixing

Postby Fetnas » Sun 16.04.2017, 12:31

Thanks all for some great suggestions, I'll probably use a hybrid combination of fill and fixed nut glued in approach, all fastenings to be stainless of course. Now I just need to find the time to do the job, not easy with a almost 1 year old son, especially as he's just starting to walk! :smt015
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