Confirm:S2 needs cat if first registered post 31/7/95

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Re: Does an S2 need a cat to meet UK MoT emission requirment

Postby paulrwebster » Tue 19.05.2009, 19:56

I think that I might be getting somewhere. I have discovered that the VOSA web site http://www.vosa.gov.uk carries pages from the MOT Inspection manual. If a car is registered between 1 August 92 and 31 July 95, they first test it against CO of .2% and .3%. If it passes, you get a certificate. If it fails, they look for an exact match on the analyser database. If they find one, they test against the vehicle specific limits, if it is not there they test against CO less than 3.5%.
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Re: Does an S2 need a cat to meet UK MoT emission requirments?

Postby Nige » Tue 19.05.2009, 20:46

That would appear to substantiate my view that the test does not differentiate between the SE and S2 as all S2 engines predate that requirement (my S2 was first registered in Nov 95).
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Re: Does an S2 need a cat to meet UK MoT emission requirments?

Postby GeoffSmith » Tue 19.05.2009, 20:57

Brilliant work Paul. The S2s are obviously straddling the 31st July 1995 cutoff:

Mine was registered on the 1st May 1995 so, in the absence of vehicle specific limits, the second flowchart leads me to the non-CAT test of 3.5% and 1200ppm.

As Nige's was registered after 31 July 1995, the flowchart leads to the 0.3%/200ppm fast idle and 0.5% limits. I am assuming the Paul's and Ailwyn's are registered after 31st July and would advise anyone in a similar position to keep a cat. The rest of us can go and kill the polar bears..... and I told you my garage wasn't bent! :twisted:
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Re: Does an S2 need a cat to meet UK MoT emission requirments?

Postby paulrwebster » Tue 19.05.2009, 21:08

Mine was registered November 94 and I only went and ordered an exhaust with a cat this morning. I can feel a pleading call to Pipers Exhausts coming on in the morning.
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Re: Does an S2 need a cat to meet UK MoT emission requirments?

Postby max and andy » Tue 19.05.2009, 22:52

Very good Paul. I new there was something going on. It doesn't help us much as we first registered 1 11 95 so the cats back out the bag for half an hour. Or our M registration might come in handy. A&M
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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby GeoffSmith » Tue 19.05.2009, 23:27

A quick check of the database and names I know suggests that the following members should keep their cats:

ab2cv
ailwyn
Brian-Cate
CJ101KT
Farran
Gazza
JimF
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M100_DMM
m400kay
marcdando
Martin R
max and andy
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Re: Does an S2 need a cat to meet UK MoT emission requirments?

Postby Nige » Tue 19.05.2009, 23:43

paulrwebster wrote:I have a cunning plan, we all swap engines :D

According to this VOSA notice if you swap the engine, the emissions are based on the age of the engine. As all of our engines are left over from the SE's we're sorted. Can I have first dibs on Max and Andy's engine please :banana:

http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/reposit ... 476766301a


"What if the vehicle is fitted with a different
engine?
If the vehicle is fitted with a different engine
from the one it was originally fitted with, then
for emission purposes you should test to the
limits determined by either the vehicle type or
engine – whichever is older. For example, if
you are presented with a 1995 car fitted with a
1991 engine of any make, you should test
it according to the age of the engine. In this
case, you need to do a non-CAT test, with
limits of 3.5% CO and 1,200ppm HC.
It’s up to the owner to prove the age of the
engine or vehicle, for example with a letter
from the manufacturer.
You can find out more on page 4 of the
Inspection Manual under section 7.3,
‘Vehicles fitted with a different engine’.


Therefore the case can be made that as the engines in all S2's are 1991 engines the older, non cat, limits can be applied.

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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby max and andy » Tue 19.05.2009, 23:57

Could a letter be arranged from Lotus that would cover the later registered S2s? That an MOT garage would be obliged to follow. Without an engine swap.

How would you put it to try and direct your friendly MOT man to test as if he couldn't find a match? You don't want him to look. A&M
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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby GeoffSmith » Wed 20.05.2009, 00:08

Just stack 5 seats on top of the passenger seat Nige - it is no longer a passenger car (must have no more seats in addition to the driver) and you follow the private bus flowchart and end up at "Carry out a non CAT test CO <= 3.5% HC <= 1200ppm". :twisted:
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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby dapinky » Wed 20.05.2009, 00:21

How about if I supply you with a letter / receipt for my old SE engine (1991) which you may have fitted to your S2 :wink:
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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby max and andy » Wed 20.05.2009, 00:28

Would they not check for engine numbers? A&M
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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby dapinky » Wed 20.05.2009, 00:50

max and andy wrote:Would they not check for engine numbers? A&M


Possibly - if they knew where to look for it!

....but that's an area which often gets covered in crud from a leaky CAS 'O' ring, so they may not bother.


(it's on the block, just under the Exhaust manifold by the CAS - stamped into a flat face next to the gearbox casing)....
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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby max and andy » Wed 20.05.2009, 08:45

We might take you up on that offer. We have a plan A and B so if that goes tits up it might be worth a shot. We hope the M plate might help a little. The cars booked in for 1pm so we haven't got a lot of time. Has the car got the date of first registration stamped on it anywhere? Or is it just on the log. Ours says 2002.
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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby dapinky » Wed 20.05.2009, 11:38

max and andy wrote: Has the car got the date of first registration stamped on it anywhere? Or is it just on the log. Ours says 2002.


Only in so much as the VIN is on the car, and the V5C (log book) will have the date of first registration in the UK (so if it was made in 1994, sent abroad and later re-impoted, the date of first reg would be different to date of manufacture).

If they enter the VIN for the MOT, the computer will rely on data held by DVLA against that VIN.
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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby max and andy » Wed 20.05.2009, 16:26

Well i think your right we had to put a sports cat on to pass. The lads at Lakeside fixed us up with one. MOT, Sports cat, Handbrake adjusted £84.11 all in.
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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby Nige » Wed 20.05.2009, 17:09

GeoffSmith wrote:Just stack 5 seats on top of the passenger seat Nige - it is no longer a passenger car (must have no more seats in addition to the driver) and you follow the private bus flowchart and end up at "Carry out a non CAT test CO <= 3.5% HC <= 1200ppm". :twisted:


Well I have the seats :D. There again if I just remove the passenger seat altogether it won't be a passenger car, it will be lighter and therefore go faster :roll: .
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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby Breed » Wed 20.05.2009, 21:11

max and andy wrote:Well i think your right we had to put a sports cat on to pass. The lads at Lakeside fixed us up with one. MOT, Sports cat, Handbrake adjusted £84.11 all in.
You can't get much better then that. A&M


A&M if they supplied a sportscat you got a real bargain. That price is amazing unless they had a old one just standing around and decided to give it to you. If not will they sell the sportcats cheaper for a group buy :D

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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby GeoffSmith » Wed 20.05.2009, 21:24

Nige wrote:Well I have the seats

I know... that's why I said it! :lol:
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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby max and andy » Wed 20.05.2009, 23:00

The cat was a short Let. :wink:
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Re: Confirmation:S2s need a cat if first registered post 31/7/95

Postby Breed » Fri 29.05.2009, 20:05

Hi All

MOT time and it passed. :-D 96 registered S2, pre cat, no main cat and piper 2 1/4 exhaust. Emmisions no where near a fail. Did not tell the examiner that I had the cat removed and he did not know me so not a "friendly" examiner. After lookin at the figures the only problem would seem to be whether or not it is legal to run a 96 car without a cat. Although there is a label inside the engine compartment to say that the engine meets 92 emmision regulations, whatever that means. As the first one to have the Piper exhaust fitted I still have no regrets about buying it from a performance, cost and noise view.

Hope this helps others thinking about going without a cat.

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