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Headlamps

Postby rip » Tue 08.05.2007, 08:44

My headlamps are starting to go rusty. These appear to be Lucas models and, being round, I would expect them to be generic.
Does anyone have any Lucas part numbers or info on where to get replacements?
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Postby ab2cv » Mon 11.06.2007, 11:55

I've just tried Murray Lotus for these and been told they are obsolete.

I've also tried SJS and the unit they sent up was a CIBIE unit, which my mechanic (Kenny Brown) says will not fit without having to cut away some of the back panel.

Paul Mattys and Chris Neils are both out of stock.

Therefore if there are any other known alternatives that I could source then please let me know. I need to get two main beam (inner) units asap

Alan

edit: Further to the above, I have been told that the original Lucas parts have been superseded by Cibie units for the outer beams and Magneti Morreli for the inner (Chris Foulds), though what SJS supply for the main beam (straight from Lotus) is a Cibie, (even though Lotus themselves say they are now obsolete). I'm confused :?
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Postby ab2cv » Tue 12.06.2007, 15:41

Just called another Lotus dealer (Stratton) to be told that the headlamps are in fact NOT obsolete, therefore Murrays clearly don't have a clue. No-one can tell me what make they are though, other than to suggest that a mixture of CIBIE and LUCAS may have been used over the years. Paul Mattys are getting stock of them in on Thursday (no-one seems to keep them in stock) so I might take a chance on ordering from them. (still skeptical as the one ordered from SJS did not fit and they source them from the same place)

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Postby ab2cv » Tue 26.06.2007, 19:05

Sorted. Here is the definitive on the main beam headlamps.

If you have the CIBIE main beam lamps, then the Lotus part number is

A100M6090F

These are readily available from Lotus and all Lotus speacialists such as SJS.

Electrical systems | Lamps
INNER HEADLAMP, MAIN BEAM A100M6090F EACH 46.46 + vat



If you have the LUCAS main beam headlamps, then the Lotus part number is

A100M6099F

However, Lotus made these obsolete on 24/01/06, probably due to the fact that they could no longer obtain the parts from LUCAS (as LUCAS have now ceased to exist as a company - now known as LSUK)

This leaves the following options:-

1. Purchase the CIBIE lamps as above. The brackets (mounting rings) will need to be modified to accept the new lights. I have checked with Lotus cars and this is the accepted method according to them.

2. Go to a scrap yard such as Douglas Valley Breakers (01257 472 866), where a chap called Steve will gladly sell you a 2nd hand LUCAS lamp for £50 + vat each.

3. Go to your nearest LSUK dealer, who will be able to source an alternative part to the LUCAS part as follows

"Durite" part number 042276 @ 11.41 + vat

These are still not a direct replacement however and will still require the brackets to be modified. However, Kenneth Brown did say that these were apparently a better fit than the CIBIE lamps. They are also significantly cheaper.

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Postby rip » Wed 27.06.2007, 09:51

Excellent. Thanks Alan.

In time for my MOT too.
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Postby Jamie N » Wed 27.06.2007, 16:52

Good post Alan.Sticky?.
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Postby tigerdog » Thu 28.06.2007, 05:14

Is it generally considered easier to pull the pods completely to replace the lamps? Or can they be swapped (sorry, swopped) with the pods on the car?
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Postby ab2cv » Thu 28.06.2007, 08:56

tigerdog wrote:Is it generally considered easier to pull the pods completely to replace the lamps? Or can they be swapped (sorry, swopped) with the pods on the car?


Good question, as my mechanic did the hard work, I'm not sure. I assumed he did it with the pods in-situ as I saw the car mid work and the pods were in the car (wound up) but lamp-less. He did say something about having to move other stuff to gain access, such as the alarm box, but since my car has an aftermarket alarm, perhaps this wont apply to every other car.

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Postby Enright » Thu 05.07.2007, 23:16

I've just ordered a couple of the Durite units today to replace my rusty Lucas ones.
What was the modification that was required to the brackets?
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Postby tigerdog » Thu 05.07.2007, 23:26

And I've just ordered a set of Cibie CSR low and main beam lamps to replace my anemic Fed-spec lamps. I'll let the group know what mods (if any) are required for the Cibies to fit.
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Postby Doug » Thu 05.07.2007, 23:41

tigerdog wrote:And I've just ordered a set of Cibie CSR low and main beam lamps to replace my anemic Fed-spec lamps. I'll let the group know what mods (if any) are required for the Cibies to fit.


I believe from what you have posted, that you know the headlights are different in the Federal car versus the rest of the world. FWIW, check LotusGirlMarie's thread about how she put HIDs on her car -- I have seen her new headlights and they are NICE :smt112
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Postby GeoffSmith » Thu 05.07.2007, 23:51

Doug wrote:FWIW, check LotusGirlMarie's thread about how she put HIDs on her car -- I have seen her new headlights and they are NICE

but illegal apparently.
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Postby tigerdog » Fri 06.07.2007, 00:17

Doug wrote:I believe from what you have posted, that you know the headlights are different in the Federal car versus the rest of the world. FWIW, check LotusGirlMarie's thread about how she put HIDs on her car -- I have seen her new headlights and they are NICE :smt112

geoffsmith wrote:but illegal apparently.
I have no doubt that LGM's conversion borders somewhere between artistry and ecstasy, like everything else she does. Ican't speak to the legalities of the change. I just know that to my old-dog eyes, focus and beam pattern make a greater difference than the colour temperature or absolute brightness of the projected beam. These lamps seem to be a good compromise between simplicity of install, quality of lighting and cost.
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Postby Doug » Fri 06.07.2007, 00:42

I think you should PM her and get info from her as she is very knowledgeable about all these units and the specs of stuff. She did change the housing and the full deal for the upgrade--I am just pointing you to the info, not saying that's where you need to go for upgrades though. A few others have done upgrades to projector-type units, but going to HID from a projector-type upgrade is not much more.
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Postby ab2cv » Fri 06.07.2007, 10:37

Enright13 wrote:I've just ordered a couple of the Durite units today to replace my rusty Lucas ones.
What was the modification that was required to the brackets?


Neil,

As I understand it, the little metal lugs on the headlamps themselves (3 of, for locating the lamp and holding it the right way up) don't quite line up with the recesses in the plastc mounting rings. Therefore you will need to cut out some new recesses in the mounting rings to make things line up correctly.

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Postby Enright » Sat 04.08.2007, 16:51

Forgot to say thanks before - top tip - worked brilliantly. :-D
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Postby gtm100 » Sun 05.08.2007, 11:35

Club Lotus Offers to members "Cibie 5 3/4 round.... for Esprit 76-83 £23 ea"
Does anyone know if they will fit?
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Re: headlights

Postby ab2cv » Mon 06.08.2007, 16:57

gtm100 wrote:Club Lotus Offers to members "Cibie 5 3/4 round.... for Esprit 76-83 £23 ea"
Does anyone know if they will fit?


As long as the lamp units are flat lens and not domed, then it should be possible to make them fit. Being CIBIE units, the chances that the mounting lugs will line up are slim, however. I remember talking to someone from Lotus Cars at the time about getting Esprit lights to fit instead, but I have this niggling feeling that I was told they wouldn't for some reason, (or else I might have taken this route myself).

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Postby Rogerf » Sat 05.01.2008, 20:39

I need to replace my Lucas main beam units.
Could someone please tell me a supplier,i've tried going through LSUK but with no success.
I believe the Durite unit is a match with a bit of bracket adjustment.
Just need contact No. and Part No. Please someone!!

Thanks
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Postby ab2cv » Sat 05.01.2008, 23:47

Rogerf wrote:I need to replace my Lucas main beam units.
Could someone please tell me a supplier,i've tried going through LSUK but with no success.
I believe the Durite unit is a match with a bit of bracket adjustment.
Just need contact No. and Part No. Please someone!!

Thanks
Roger


Durite part number is 042276

Price £11.41 + vat

I still have my receipt from LSUK if you need any more info

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