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Red Elan N/A

Postby gov » Sun 24.12.2017, 12:13

Anyone know anything about this one :

http://www.4starclassics.com/lotus-elan-m100-for-sale/


Looks original - very good interior - seals okay - have emailed dealer - car been in same family since new - he's going to let me know reg ( closed over xmas ) - says usual stone chips on bumpers and a small crack on wings ( ? ) Dealer has some very expensive cars in stock and has good reviews - says underside is clean .

Would need to spend a good few quid on fresh paint on bumpers ( and possibly wings ) but interior does look good on pics - love the fact lt still has the original cassette player !

The good thing is the dealership is not too far away :D


Only negative it's not a Turbo - or is that really a negative ? I'm looking for a toy not a track car !
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby daveiow » Sun 24.12.2017, 13:46

Hi Tony
Looks very tidy, new leads and perhaps the seats have been retrimed as I don’t think the red pipeing was standard.
Glad to see you are still thinking about returning to the fold....
I know where there is a good turbo that someone might be persuaded to sell (if he could find something to replace it with)
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby Rambo » Sun 24.12.2017, 19:57

I don't think the seats are standard either. Clemo ?

Wing mirrors should be black so must have had respray ??

Looks very tidy though

NB off side door/A panel needs slight adjustment and touch up 8) Looks like whole car has had a respray fairly recently ?
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby clemo » Sun 24.12.2017, 21:25

Looks like a tidy example. The pipeing on the seats has been retrimmed in red would be grey as standard but the stripes were standard across all models. Yes the wing mirrors would have been base black as standard. A one owner car is a rare thing to find . As with any elan check the inner seals and rear wishbones. Maybe buy yourself a boroscope that plugs into your phone .£11 on eBay . NA = no turbo lag .

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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby GeoffSmith » Sun 24.12.2017, 23:14

Rambo wrote:Looks like whole car has had a respray fairly recently ?

:agree: The paintwork looks a bit flat to be honest.
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby par » Mon 25.12.2017, 00:45

GeoffSmith wrote:
Rambo wrote:Looks like whole car has had a respray fairly recently ?

:agree: The paintwork looks a bit flat to be honest.


And the grills in the bumpers dont appear to have been refitted!
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby Rambo » Mon 25.12.2017, 09:33

GeoffSmith wrote:
Rambo wrote:Looks like whole car has had a respray fairly recently ?

:agree: The paintwork looks a bit flat to be honest.


Very flat ! Inside the engine bay looks a lot shinier than the surrounding body panels. Might just be a trick of the camera though ??
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby Rambo » Mon 25.12.2017, 09:36

par wrote:
GeoffSmith wrote:
Rambo wrote:Looks like whole car has had a respray fairly recently ?

:agree: The paintwork looks a bit flat to be honest.


And the grills in the bumpers dont appear to have been refitted!


Well spotted Stephen

The seats have definitely got new leather. No Lotus logo. And the lack of grey piping as indicated by Clemo. Also the seat protectors have been removed and don't appear to have been replaced :? They look good though :smt023

Wheels have been refurbished too and all have lost their OZ Ruote stickers :(

PS despite there being a shiny metal lump in the engine bay, I'd prefer to have a shiny metal case with turbo impressed upon it anyday. But that's just my opinion. Others from Torquay and Prestwick may disagree entirely :twisted:
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby Nick Brough » Mon 25.12.2017, 11:00

clemo wrote: As with any elan check the inner seals and rear wishbones.


Still a bit ignorant, what are the inner seals and how do you check them.

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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby clemo » Mon 25.12.2017, 12:03

Nick Brough wrote:
clemo wrote: As with any elan check the inner seals and rear wishbones.


Still a bit ignorant, what are the inner seals and how do you check them.

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Nick this is not an easy job without a willing participant . It requires removing the sill covers and peeling back the carpet .
But as i mentioned above a boroscope that attatche's to your phone. One with a light and few ft long will do the trick . Pop it down where the plastic cap things sit when the roof it down and you should be able to see in and around the possible affected areas which is down by the retracting seat belt mechanism .

The other way is to just squeeze the sill all the way along from rear to front . If its crunchy then i may well need attention .

Though this is a scary moment for any owner it is not the end of the world . Some cars are perfectly fine . My elan that has be garaged for 17 years by the previous owner has no signs of the rot . If this car i a 1 loving owner , garaged and has decent roof rubbers you may well be ok too . Though some that have lived outside with a constant leak may not have stood up to the test of time so well .

AS for the rear wishbones . This is an external thing that is not covered in any way .
Up on some ramps is more helpful , but laying on the ground and looking will suffice .

Again it requires a bit of poking and squishing. They tend to rot from the inside which is not helpful. If these are iffy the do not drive.

The highlighted potential problems are what you get with any kind of classic car. So whilst annoying not the end of the world. Either its a re negotiation of price OR walk away .

Inner sills require prep work and welding. Rear wishbones just require replacing with S2 versions from a scrap yard. The S2 came with galvanised ones as standard. about £600 a pair then fitting costs.

For the investment of an £11 horoscope you could save yourself £100's .
Knowing what i know now i would not buy an Elan without this handy tool . I would also buy a hydrocarbon sniffer test . Thats a head gasket leak tester that you shove over the radiator filler reservoir. £25. Turns green if the engine has an internal leak.

Ultimately try and take one of us nosey lot along with you !!!! . We love it and can teach you what to look out for.
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby Rambo » Mon 25.12.2017, 12:31

Nick Brough wrote:
clemo wrote: As with any elan check the inner seals and rear wishbones.


Still a bit ignorant, what are the inner seals and how do you check them.

Thanks

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I think Clemo means inner sills ?? Often referred to as outriggers. It is also important to check the 4 (4 on an SE, only 2 on an S2) jacking points. In fact, jacking the car up and getting a crunching/graunching sound means trouble as the jacking point is just about to disappear into the outrigger :(

The "plastic cap things" he refers to are otherwise known as B post caps
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby clemo » Mon 25.12.2017, 14:12

Yes Rambo is correct , Jack the car up and listen . He is taking about outriggers which i didn't specifically identify .

When i mentioned take one of us along - if this is possible - do . You will get knowledge built up from years of ownership and sharing knowledge but please don't be scared or put off from owning an Elan . We say these things in advance to save you from £££ later on not to try and put you off .

When i meant inner sills in actually mean the tub of the car . Im trying to explain this in the most simplest terms but perhaps confusing the issue . So apologies if its double dutch .

When the car has no carpets in we can see the inner sills completely . The inner sills run all the way from back to front under the door . covered by the plastic sill covers when the doors are open . Due to the leaky nature of our sponge roof rubbers water gets trapped in the car. Due to the nature of the sound deadening under the carpets being hessian and dense it acts as a sponge to water . The damp conditions are not great and over time the inner sills rust . ( many owners change this to single cell sound deadening )

These sills hold the seat belt mount just to the rear of your hip when seated . This area can be very corroded . There are pictures on here of varying conditions . It looks scary but like anything if you peel it back in a methodic way and replace the damage then nearly anything can be achieved .

Again this may not be the case with a car that has been stored in the dry . Or one that doesn't leak (christmas cracker joke their) .
But do check . And also think maybe the car has been parked on an incline or decline . So water may have pooled in the footwell rater than at the back by say the speakers .Buy one of those boroscopes and pop it down the B post caps as Rambo mentioned . or the plastic flaps as i so un eloquently put it .

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Outriggers
Inner sills / Jacking points
Rear wishbones
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby Nick Brough » Mon 25.12.2017, 14:55

Thanks for the info, I have had two TVR's so know all about rusty outriggers :( I take it you can't just peel back the carpets if they are in to check.
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby gov » Mon 25.12.2017, 15:55

Wow - a lot of information to digest - I must have been lucky with my old Elan - never really checked anything that wasn't visible ! I remember checking the rear wishbones - they had been undersealed with some special coating - the rest of the car was stunning - probably still is in Daveiow's ownership :D
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby Rambo » Mon 25.12.2017, 16:34

Certainly worth asking about the paint job, if indeed it has had one. And why was it necessary ??? Was it involved in a prang ?? Does it have any cat B/C/D history that the vendor has accidentally forgotten to mention in the advert?? Worthwhile asking for a receipt or guarantee on the paint job too

All these things might be useful bargaining things if you intend to strike a deal
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby lotusflasherman » Tue 26.12.2017, 05:26

Rambo wrote: Wing mirrors should be black so must have had respray ??


Huh ? :smt017 Where did that come from - been on the Scotch? :lol: I've never ever seen an M100 where mirrors are not the colour of body ....

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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby clemo » Tue 26.12.2017, 11:03

lotusflasherman wrote:
Rambo wrote: Wing mirrors should be black so must have had respray ??


Huh ? :smt017 Where did that come from - been on the Scotch? :lol: I've never ever seen an M100 where mirrors are not the colour of body ....

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Every day's a school day round here.
NA wing mirrors come out the factory as unpainted thus making them base plastic black .
If you look at my Avatar picture ... No painted mirrors .
Nothing fishy about that .
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby dapinky » Tue 26.12.2017, 13:26

Nick,

My 2p worth (which may well be worth a couple of pence less than that!).

The Elan NA is an under-rated vehicle by many snobs who think it HAS to have a turbo - in daily driving (and certainly if you have no previous ownership to compare to) it is still a very capable and rapid car...... but there are some things to be aware of.

The wing mirrors have been mentioned, also the seats would have been cloth as a factory 'OE' fittment, but with the full leather as a paid-for option (like the painted door mirrors!) - but the seats have been recovered anyway, so not overly relevant.

Power steering was an option on the NA - so it would have been specified at original purchase (fluid reservoir visible in engine bay pics).

The final drive ratio is slightly lower on the NA - so accelleration is similar to the turbo model - but far more linear in application as you don't have to wait for it to 'come in'.... as a result, the top speed is slightly lower - but unless you are travelling the Autobahns regularly, you'll not notice. Along with this, you will be cruising at slightly higher revs for any given speed - not really an issue, and no effect on mpg figures due to engine efficiency.

The interior is a better layout on the NA as it has a clock you can actually see whilst driving.

Perhaps the biggest differences between the models are invisible (or at least, hidden from view!) - many of the engine components are different. This is a double-edged sword - not many NAs were made, so SE parts are more common (all service items are shared, so freely available)....... but if you need 'specialised' parts for an engine re-build, NA bits can be sourced freely in USA as they had shed loads of the engines in other applications (pistons, bearing shells etc etc)

Tuning options are more limited with the NA - you can't simply 'chip' it as there is no turbo boost to control - so any modifcations will need to be in relation to airflow in the head etc.... also, elanscan doesn't work with the NA, so you will need 'old' tools to maintain it properly (which many of us own anyway!).

There is no Hall effect sensor etc to worry about (or coil packs) as it has a 'standard' distributor to control the sparking - so is easy to maintain.

On balance, it is a very simple car to maintain - and for someone who has some experience of 'classic' cars, there is nowt to worry you...... in fact, I'd quite like one myself.....

For this particular car, most comments have already been made in the thread - the only way to know is to go and have a look - and see if someone is prepared to go with you (especially as Clemo says, turning up in an Elan is always a good thing - not only does it show some implied knowledge, but gives you a point of comparison to negotiate a deal if it gets that far).
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby lotusflasherman » Tue 26.12.2017, 23:44

clemo wrote:Every day's a school day round here.
NA wing mirrors come out the factory as unpainted thus making them base plastic black .
If you look at my Avatar picture ... No painted mirrors .
Nothing fishy about that .


Well blow me down .... apologies :bowdown:
There were several NA's amongst the M100's at Snetterton for the Guinness World Record turnout and all had body coloured wing mirrors - as far as my photographs show. Could be most owners prefer how it looks to 'authenticity' ...
Was black compulsory or could they be body coloured as an optional extra ?
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Re: Red Elan N/A

Postby clemo » Tue 02.01.2018, 11:01

Phil
With the options pack paperwork i never saw NA wing mirror paint pack as an Lotus written option .
That said many over the years have had them painted . But in answer to your question NO it was not.
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