Ellen II (or Sis)

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Specky » Thu 16.04.2009, 00:29

Specky wrote:Could some one please tell me if these are still available and a part number viewtopic.php?f=32&t=12956&p=165271&#p165271


Window Butterfly - A100B6271S
Centre Slide for Window Regulator (Left Door) - A100B6211S
Centre Slide for Window Regulator (Right Door) - A100B6210S

I guess I found them...

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Specky » Thu 16.04.2009, 18:44

I needed some more bits of the other door today... The affore mentioned slider...

There's more differences than normal doors... :shock:

The door card is held on differently...e.g. two screws as opposed three...just where the dash interlocks

No black shroud around the motors... :-D

I think one door is fitted with some bits for remote central locking... Could some please confirm as I don't have this on the white one...

The markins are different again... I.B.7. used to be I.B.5.

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Specky » Sat 25.04.2009, 21:46

Day nine,

I've been on trip to see the yellow bellies...

I've removed nearly every component that was left on the green tub and have also given her the once over...

There's good news and bad news... :?

so the good... The sills are adverage, should clean up a treat and there's no cracks in the tub... :-D

The bad... the green tub is identical but completly different... :shock:

Loads of corrosion in a different area... ironically there's none on the silver tub in the same area...

So the project has now slipped...(not that I had a hard and fast date) this due to some major reworking that needs to be done...

I'll post two set of pics.. the new arrival... and the differences...

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Specky » Sat 25.04.2009, 22:49

Here are the differences photos...

which means a lot more work to change the panels over...

I intended to leave the windscreen in situ, but due to the corrosion on the windscreen pillars (initially hidden by paint) everything must be removed... :(

I wonder if it's possible to change the pillars...

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Specky » Sun 26.04.2009, 09:13

Specky wrote:I wonder if it's possible to change the pillars...


yes you can, I just read the good book... :-D

Another question if I may...

What would be a good product to break down the black sealant that hold everything together without damaging the paint or fibreglass...

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby RichardK » Sun 26.04.2009, 11:46

From Jimbob's thread on his reshell ( love his pix)

"While all you guys were busy at Donington, I had a great time this weekend - lying on my back for a total of 26 hours in the garage washing off the underseal on my new shell with cloths soaked in thinners. I have to say I feel physically sick now with all the fumes. If I never see cellulose thinners again it wouldn't be a bad thing ! "

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby inkitin » Sun 26.04.2009, 12:24

Specky wrote:What would be a good product to break down the black sealant that hold everything together without damaging the paint or fibreglass...


How's about White Spirit? I use it quite a lot for that sort of thing. I wouldn't have thought it would do anything to the paint or fibreglass but don't quote me ! :-)
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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby paza1 » Sun 26.04.2009, 12:34

Dave,
If you are referring to the Sikaflex, then mechanical removal only according to this http://www.sikaindustry.com/pds-ipd-sikaflex221-us.pdf
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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Specky » Sun 26.04.2009, 19:37

Cheers fellas, I guess it's gonna be a hot wire then...

I thought today would be ideal oppotunity to undertake the first "demodiforcation" and loose the first bit of corrosion...

The first mission of the day was to remove the A-post seals and retainers... One :censored: of a job

So the second mission was to remove the windscreen... 98% removed and crack..."B0ll0KS!!!!!"


Next on to the frame and A posts

All in all, the left hand mount is good, but the right need some cleaning up, so I'll have to remove the heater duct pannel... :shock:

I guess if I carry on a this rate I'm gonna be left with just the metal work... :shock:

Three things scare me...

What's the white car one like...

and why didn't Lotus wet joint the car.. :shock:

and men who wear dresses...(just making sure you're paying attention)

Here's some more pics


Long story short:-

none of this corrosion was visible utill I began to remove seals and paint...

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Went nuts and removed the windscreen and the first A post

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even the aluminum foil had began to corrode around the heater intake...even thou it was very light

that corrosion is bad... :shock:

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Second hand pair of A post anyone

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Surface corrosion, not major, but I'll have remove the windscreen heater paneel to give full access.. Bugger..

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The Tub is getting smaller all the time

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Doug » Mon 27.04.2009, 08:48

interesting story to see

like the pix too!
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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Specky » Mon 04.05.2009, 15:50

A bit more pottering today.... :shock:

Scouse and myself decided to remove everything else off the new tub...

Also some more "big bit syndrome"... Remove the Chassis... (deja vu)

I've just got to drill out every single rivet off the tub and that's her bare...

Nearly ready for some body work and a respray..

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Specky » Mon 04.05.2009, 16:04

After seeing the aftermath of Maggie and G.UK...... I didn't think the conventional roll hoops were up to the job... :wink:

what do you reckon to my modiforcation... :shock:

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby clemo » Mon 04.05.2009, 16:49

so was green tub build 48 then?
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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Specky » Mon 04.05.2009, 17:33

clemo wrote:so was green tub build 48 then?


I don't know is the truth, leave it with me and I'll find out...

In theory when the project is complete..... The lower metal work inclusive of the side sills, the whole floor pan and the front bulhead will be off the green tub the rest of the tub will be I.B.3.

So quite alot of work to do, So many fibreglass panels to remove and fit... :shock:

Why I hear you ask, Just for sh1ts and giggles really....OK.... it's those dam differences.... Not that anyone would Know what a preproduction car looks like. except AndyP

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Specky » Mon 04.05.2009, 18:04

clemo wrote:so was green tub build 48 then?


166 I think, early '91, so a year later, So I have no idea what the No's mean

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby andyp » Thu 21.05.2009, 11:19

Decided to pull the driver's door panel off............
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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby jimbob » Wed 29.07.2009, 23:57

Its good to see there is someone else as daft as me ! :-D

The corrosion issue is a bit worrying 5 - 10 years and there will be a lot of mot failure Elans breaking and before you know it the Elan will be like rocking horse poo.

At least you have the advantage of a more plentiful supply of used parts down south, up here there are only a handful of cars north of the border.

Guess Ive been lucky with the chassis, tub etc. Postage is a killer up here.

Keep up the good work and don't lose faith, I'll be watching !

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Specky » Wed 23.09.2009, 00:37

Another day of pottering,

The chassis’s are both stripped and outside in the wind and the rain. (Awaiting chem clean and e-coat)

The rear chassis I intend to use has a slight corrosion issue... It's just where one of the rear out riggers joins. (it's began to lift and ripple where the spot welds are) :?

Moving on,

The green tub is totally stripped now.

I think I've just found a bit of project creep... :shock:

I'm getting very close to separating the top of the green car from the floor,

There are several reasons for doing this as the Silver tub has the following noteworthy points :-

1) The floor, boot, battery bay, rear wheel arches and the front wall of the tub all have monster damage. ( several 12" cracks in the fibreglass, bobins pulled thru etc)
2) It's totally different but exactly the same (Strange comment I know, but it is preproduction so nearly every panel has a quirk, all except the floor)
3) The corrosion is incredible, well past saving
4) The drivers floor has already been repaired, quite poorly too. (One of the cars many accidents)
5) I want and need as much of the old car as possible.

6) On the green car, the top of the A- post have light corrosion and this needs to be addressed
7) On the green car, the rear lightnening holes and B-posts have a little bit of corrosion.

Now to do this separation I will reveal quite a lot of the metal sub frame,

What I'm thinking is, why not do a little bit more stripping and remove the metal work totally and get it galvanised/repaired

The project is just about to get a little slower especially as my work commitments grow. So I don't think she'll be on the road for her 21st birthday. :(

Waiting for an engine stand to rock up tomorrow, so I must remove the gearbox pronto.

In addition I'm waiting for some cutting gear to remove the bonded panels and loads of 221.

I would take some pictures, but there just a big space on the floor at the moment.

I guess one day I will go the other way,

But here's a question, what colour would you do the Chassis, longerons, cross member, pongeron etc ?

I thought a combination of red for the big bits and black for the running gear with the odd red bit thrown in for good measure.

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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Jackonicko » Wed 23.09.2009, 01:43

Welcome back from the USA, Specky. See you soon, I hope.
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Re: Ellen II (or Sis)

Postby Specky » Wed 23.09.2009, 18:28

Cheers Jon,

a bit more of a potter,

Today I removed the gearbox,clutch and the "Do-hicky coggy thing"

but the engine stand failed to materialise :(

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saying that I got a new toy today....

The weapon of choice...

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So I went on to remove:-

the demister duct

At least I can get at the corrosion now.

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the heater duct

This is so I can fit the preproduction style of the silver one.

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and partially removed the Transom...(Yeah... I didn't know what it was either :oops: It's the No plate/Light bit)

Sorta came to a ginding halt,

there was much "umming and arghing", followed by trying to suck the enmamel of ones own teeth...

The reason, I'm trying to work out the best way to remove the back of the car and also to expose the metal work.


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