Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

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Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby dalyj » Mon 22.09.2014, 11:36

Good Afternoon,

Hope you are all well!

I've been offered a 1991 Elan SE 1.6 Turbo for what seems a great price of £900.

The car itself hasn't been used for 3 years, but ran fine before that. Not MOT or insurance. It has achieved ~ 80,000 miles. I'm yet to see the car, its located in Bournemouth and I will be going to visit over a weekend in the upcoming month or two.

Paintwork & Bodywork are apparently all in good condition (no dents/rust). The only notable fix required mentioned by the seller is that it needs a new window for the roof, as it does not have one.

So my questions are really the following:

1) What are peoples initial thoughts on the Price?

2) Can some of the experts tell me what I should be paying particular attention to when viewing the car?

3) Does anyone own a garage which handles repairs/restoration that would be willing to view the car with me, and provide me with a professional opinion on any fixes required?

4) Anyone advise on initial costs I'll be expected to encounter?

I probably have a lot more questions but that will do as a start!

Thanks for your time.

James
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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby epipete » Mon 22.09.2014, 12:11

Hi James, and welcome; just some quick thoughts:

I've been offered a 1991 Elan SE 1.6 Turbo for what seems a great price of £900.

1) What are peoples initial thoughts on the Price?

Seems very low, the immediate question is why? If he is so eager to sell it and has dropped the price in order to do so then how come he/you expect it to still be unsold over the extended viewing period you provide?

2) Can some of the experts tell me what I should be paying particular attention to when viewing the car?

There is a comprehensive article in the wiki: http://wikilec.9600.org/index.php/Buyers_guide. Bear in mind that the body work is 'plastic' so won't rust although it can be expensive to restore if the fibreglass/zip paint is damaged, crazed etc

3) Does anyone own a garage which handles repairs/restoration that would be willing to view the car with me, and provide me with a professional opinion on any fixes required?

No, however there are folks on here who may offer their time to accompany you in an inspection.

4) Anyone advise on initial costs I'll be expected to encounter?

Again, no, nevertheless I'd expect a good useable example to be between £3.5 to £5.5k so you have a lot of wriggle room on repair/upgrade costs before you hit that limit



Also do a lot of reading on here about Outriggers, HGF, Wishbones, Chassis Rust/damage, paint repairs etc etc, expenses can be reduced depending in how 'handy' you are.

Finally, it should be worth more as a breaker than the asking price!!!

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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby dalyj » Mon 22.09.2014, 13:15

Thanks for the prompt response, so I work with the fella selling the car. He owned 2 Elan's, just sold one a none working one for £1000 (spares and repairs) and this one worked last time he used it..

He lives in London currently and the car is stored down south in his house he rents out. He has just had a baby and I believe the Tennant wants the car out the garage..

I really appreciate all topics you've suggested and the link to the guide.

I'll have a read over all this asap.

Yeah if any expert would be willing to spare some time to view the car with myself it would be appreciated. Sooner the better!! (I'll reimburse of course)
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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby Enright » Mon 22.09.2014, 15:17

Have a read through my recent project thread here:
viewtopic.php?f=79&t=23017
It just proves that it can be done.
If this prospective one of yours has decent bodywork then it could turn out to be a more than viable proposition.
I find oily bits and electrical ones far easier to tackle than paint and composites, but that's just personal preference.
I don't mind sharing my template for costs and repairs if you like - it's served me well.
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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby dalyj » Mon 22.09.2014, 16:16

Thanks for the response Neil. I've just read over your adventure.. And I'm now up to date with your progress. Great job.

I agree with you in the fact I'd rather endure electrics than bodywork however my skills are limited, but I suppose there is no better place to start learning. Anything advanced.. I.e. engine/turbo/leaks and pipes.. I've never attempted before and would have to seek a lotus specialist.

I'd be grateful if you can share your template that will be useful indeed

Many thanks

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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby Piperman » Tue 23.09.2014, 06:37

Hi as long as its legit if you know the owner thats good ,as long as it has some servce history ,you could be looking at new cambelt ,if you have tame mech ok ,otherwise garage job 200/400 pounds ,then tyres ok? winscreen ,interior ,i believe they can suffer rear wishbone rust ,rear brakes calipers disc expensive, saying all that thier getting rare cars it could be fine buy it !cheers Derek
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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby norman lovie » Tue 23.09.2014, 08:32

for £900 - she would have to be a real basket case to walk away from - i.e. obvious serious crash damage / major chassis rot
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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby dalyj » Tue 23.09.2014, 13:42

Cheers guys. I'm going to try and go down and view it this Saturday..

I'll take plenty of pictures and give you an update when I return!
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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby theelanman » Tue 23.09.2014, 14:17

dalyj wrote:Paintwork & Bodywork are apparently all in good condition (no dents/rust).


:lol: ......always tickles me......

erm theyre plastic......so wont rust...and shatter/craze instead of dinting :-D

Im id think about budget......whilst £900 is very very tempting I think itd depend on your overall spend
if you've set yourself a limit of say £4000 but can see £5000 of work then even if it is £900 its going to blow your budget.....

lots of pics are good.....especially the underside.....especially the rear suspension......

engine....do you know if it turns over?.....Im guessing it'll not have a working battery when you view so might be worth asking if it'll turn by hand

interior....has it been sat outside for 3 years?.....if so it'll be wet....theyre not the most watertight of cars.....

just a couple of thoughts

cheers

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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby Enright » Tue 23.09.2014, 15:54

Personally I think that as long as it runs, even poorly, and hasn't got corners missing, then for that price you can hardly go wrong. It's like buying an Elan on HP - you just make sure you list all of the jobs, prioritise and knock them down in order, and sooner or later you should end up with a decent car.
I know that may seem a bit simplistic, but the manual is available to download FOC to tackle every single job, and the forum is free too. If this becomes a project thread then there is plenty of resource to offer helpful advice.
I'm no master mechanic - I just know how to follow instructions and have got reasonably familiar with the cars.
Ask yourself what's the worst that can happen with a £900 investment? You spend a few quid on some of the bits and pieces, then decide it's not worth the hassle? So what? You'd still get your money back on eBay as long as you hadn't completely ruined it.
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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby theelanman » Tue 23.09.2014, 16:12

Enright wrote:Personally I think that as long as it runs, even poorly, and hasn't got corners missing, then for that price you can hardly go wrong. It's like buying an Elan on HP - you just make sure you list all of the jobs, prioritise and knock them down in order, and sooner or later you should end up with a decent car.
I know that may seem a bit simplistic, but the manual is available to download FOC to tackle every single job, and the forum is free too. If this becomes a project thread then there is plenty of resource to offer helpful advice.
I'm no master mechanic - I just know how to follow instructions and have got reasonably familiar with the cars.
Ask yourself what's the worst that can happen with a £900 investment? You spend a few quid on some of the bits and pieces, then decide it's not worth the hassle? So what? You'd still get your money back on eBay as long as you hadn't completely ruined it.


yep...I agree but I never like to think of it being passed pillar to post and never getting any better then ending up as a donor.....
if it was me Id want to do it to finish it.....but without bankrupting myself......

as its not run in 3 years Id make sure it turned over at least by hand.....
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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby Ian T » Fri 26.09.2014, 20:11

I would agree with everything said and add the word 'bargain' in relation to the price. It is a well known fact that these cars are worth much more than that in parts and even with some faults you will be hard pushed to exceed the cost of a working one provided that this one is tidy, dry stored and runs and drives (with a new battery).

If you do buy it, change the coolant straight away as it won't still have the usual level of corrosion inhibiting performance and that will lead to head gasket failure if left.

Good luck. :)

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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby Enright » Fri 03.10.2014, 14:21

To be fair, MOST cars are worth more in parts - let's face it, you don't often see a poor scrapyard owner!
However, having done a LOT of trudging round scrapyards and even broken a donor car (a Pug 206CC), I would say that due to the limited market of the Elan they are much harder cars to make your money back on.
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Re: Advice and Help needed for 1991 SE

Postby Piperman » Sun 05.10.2014, 20:07

No news? did you buy it ?
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