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Re: Hoops

Postby griff200pdx » Thu 11.10.2018, 05:41

THE LIST.
1. HJ2
2. Clemo
3. Steve A
4. daveiow
5. Tuga2112
6. Elaverick
7. lotustonybassplayer
8. Woody
9. lotusles
10. SimonBUK
11. Kathryn
12. Donsladek
13. Fetnas
14. Burble61
15. Pegsyno1
16. Enright
17. Ianb1978
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Re: Hoops

Postby griff200pdx » Thu 11.10.2018, 05:44

clemo wrote:
donsladek wrote:I'll be the first from the US - hoping there are others to share freight costs (maybe we can fill a container :lol: ):


THE LIST.
12. Donsladek


Hi Don ,
maybe not a crate but a well packed up item with clear packaging may be the answer. As things progress i will endeavour to find a solution to getting the hoops to you.


two orders from the US?

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Re: Hoops

Postby clemo » Thu 11.10.2018, 07:04

Hoops Update.

The hoops jig will be with us soon John W is picking them up in the next week or so.
The templates and paperwork is with Simon who is away till the end of the month. Upon his return i will take a little jaunt to collect said items.

Thanking everyone for their interest and offers of help so far.

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Re: Hoops

Postby RonR » Thu 11.10.2018, 12:30

THE LIST.
1. HJ2
2. Clemo
3. Steve A
4. daveiow
5. Tuga2112
6. Elaverick
7. lotustonybassplayer
8. Woody
9. lotusles
10. SimonBUK
11. Kathryn
12. Donsladek
13. Fetnas
14. Burble61
15. Pegsyno1
16. Enright
17. Ianb1978
18. griff200pdx
19. RonR
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Re: Hoops

Postby maz_r » Fri 12.10.2018, 22:40

THE LIST.
1. HJ2
2. Clemo
3. Steve A
4. daveiow
5. Tuga2112
6. Elaverick
7. lotustonybassplayer
8. Woody
9. lotusles
10. SimonBUK
11. Kathryn
12. Donsladek
13. Fetnas
14. Burble61
15. Pegsyno1
16. Enright
17. Ianb1978
18. griff200pdx
19. RonR
20. maz_r

(can't resist a list.....)
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Re: Hoops

Postby HJ2 » Mon 29.10.2018, 11:52

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Re: Hoops

Postby cliff » Mon 29.10.2018, 17:41

All sounds good to me, nice one guys. Sorry I can't help with anything.

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1. HJ2
2. Clemo
3. Steve A
4. daveiow
5. Tuga2112
6. Elaverick
7. lotustonybassplayer
8. Woody
9. lotusles
10. SimonBUK
11. Kathryn
12. Donsladek
13. Fetnas
14. Burble61
15. Pegsyno1
16. Enright
17. Ianb1978
18. griff200pdx
19. RonR
20. maz_r
21. cliff
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Re: Hoops

Postby clemo » Wed 31.10.2018, 20:03

Hi all .
Just want to say thank you all for your interest in this item . This is a nice heathy number that should help assist us on this run. Whilst i have not much to add at this point ( apart from John W has done some epic legwork on our behalves) he holds the jig at the moment . Myself and Pinky are to take a trip up that their north to collect it and hopefully get the rest of the information from Simon upon his return to the UK ...

Once again thanks for your interest so far. It may only be a list .... but lists give me confidence in getting something remade.
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Re: Hoops

Postby Rambo » Wed 31.10.2018, 22:44

When are you guys up ? Maybe we can have a mini Clan McElan meet up somewhere ? Youse 2, JohnW, me, Big Erch, Stevo TVR, Scott and Elsie... :burnout:

Shame Big Erch doesn't have Gairnshiel Lodge anymore :(
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Re: Hoops

Postby DaveP99 » Wed 05.12.2018, 17:16

Hi, I have just joined the group having recently acquired a 1992 M100.

I will be using it on trackdays so I would like to add to the list if there is a group buy in progress for the roll hoops.

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Re: Hoops

Postby KevB » Wed 19.12.2018, 23:52

THE LIST.
1. HJ2
2. Clemo
3. Steve A
4. daveiow
5. Tuga2112
6. Elaverick
7. lotustonybassplayer
8. Woody
9. lotusles
10. SimonBUK
11. Kathryn
12. Donsladek
13. Fetnas
14. Burble61
15. Pegsyno1
16. Enright
17. Ianb1978
18. griff200pdx
19. RonR
20. maz_r
21. cliff
22. DaveP99
23. KevB
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Re: Hoops

Postby ColinBruce » Thu 20.12.2018, 19:08

Hi everyone. I have thought long and hard over the last few years about these roll hoops and at one point I convinced myself I had to have them. However, before I commit to join the Group Buy, has anyone checked to see how much protection would actually be given by the hoops?
What I'm about to write is not a pleasant thought but it is one that most of us will have imagined at some point.
If an Elan had the hoops fitted and ended up 'up-side-down' there is a good chance the car would rest on the bonnet and the tops of the hoops. I doubt if this would protect the head of the occupants at all.
I am not trying to be awkward, dismissive or controversial towards the hoops, and any reduction of injury to car occupants has to be a good thing. However, it takes a lot of effort to install the hoops and they won't be cheap.
I don't know what the answer is. For the hoops to offer better protection I expect they would have to be so tall that they would not fit under the roof and a full roll cage would be even more expensive and spoil the look of the cars with the roof down.
Perhaps there is no answer?
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Re: Hoops

Postby HJ2 » Thu 20.12.2018, 19:17

Hi Colin,

This particular topic has been discussed quite extensive. If you'd do a search on the forum you can find the relevant topics and opinions.
In the end it is solely your decision what you decide to do and what you consider additional safety value :D
I know my tech-brain wants hoops :-D
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Re: Hoops

Postby theelanman » Fri 21.12.2018, 15:10

Colin
Simon designed these along the same lines as the WRC stuff that he was designing at the time and made them a structural part of the car so they will stand up if upside down
The point of the hoops is to apply additional headroon
if you have seen pictures of cars that have ended up upside down you will realise that the windscreen collapses and the car rests on the headrest of the seat
If in doubt ask Graham, GUK, he managed to flip his and survived to tell the tale despite a few scuffs and bruises to his head
the additional room would allow you a considerable amount more than the non-existent support you have at the moment so to that end I would say that anything is better
just my thoughts
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Re: Hoops

Postby Brit-Car-Nut » Fri 21.12.2018, 15:49

Not trying to scare anyone, but Gordon's pictures and further discussion can be found around here: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=14406&start=80#p189650

In every picture I have seen of a roll-over M100, the windscreen is flat against the dash and intruding into the cockpit. I am clueless as to what Lotus used for their test car that made them think the windscreen was a structural component and would support the car in an accident. (Icouldn't find their exact phrasing, but it is in some of their advertising).

The hoops do add a small bit of solid height to the car, so in the event of a gentle roll-over, they will help.

In a violent roll-over, the driver's head will be all over the place and their neck will allow it go go above the hoops at times, so maybe doing neck strengthening exercises would be a good thing if anyone is going to drive with a huge amount of gusto.

In my opinion, ANYTHING is better than the current design, especially if you are worried about a roll-over event.
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Re: Hoops

Postby Giniw » Fri 21.12.2018, 16:58

Brit-Car-Nut wrote:(Icouldn't find their exact phrasing, but it is in some of their advertising).
Maybe it does divert enough energy to help noticeably, and then the advertising department wrote it was made of some unbreakable alien material?
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Re: Hoops

Postby Rambo » Fri 21.12.2018, 17:00

I have to concur with theelanman and BCN's comments. Anything that helps safety wise is surely a good thing and not one to be eschewed. And Colin, as you go rallying in yours, I would have thought you'd be first on the list. Yes they will be expensive to buy and fit, unless you can do the work yourself (I suggest you'd probably on the blower to Kenny Broon ;-) ) but what price safety ?

I have 2 M100's that I run regularly. Guess which one I feel less vulnerable in :burnout:
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Re: Hoops

Postby Brit-Car-Nut » Fri 21.12.2018, 17:07

I found it. It is in the M100 Sales Training Manual...

The windscreen pillar is cast of high-strength aluminum and bolts directly to the tops of the A-pillars.
This assembly is strong enough to support the weight of the car in the event of a roll over.
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Re: Hoops

Postby Giniw » Fri 21.12.2018, 17:10

Maybe when gently lifted on the ground ...?

Rambo wrote:I have 2 M100's that I run regularly. Guess which one I feel less vulnerable in :burnout:
The third one?
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Re: Hoops

Postby Rambo » Fri 21.12.2018, 17:11

Colin - if it helps with your thought process, I could show you Kuching's roll hoops on my yellow beast :burnout:
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