Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby lotos » Tue 09.11.2010, 19:17

So people still need the GM contact ring with this adaptor, correct? I found a few on ebay if everyone needs one, search the part number.
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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby bobbrown » Tue 09.11.2010, 19:24

lotos wrote:So people still need the GM contact ring with this adaptor, correct? I found a few on ebay if everyone needs one, search the part number.


As far as I am aware that is the case along with an Elise airbag wheel but Elanlover did all the prototype work so no doubt he will be along to confirm just what you need.

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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby Elanlover » Tue 09.11.2010, 19:31

What you'll need:

1) Bob's Elise steering wheel hub adaptor
2) Elise steering wheel
3) Elise airbag
4) Elise contact ring

I'll document the install procedure once I get mine fitted but the short version is that the hub adaptor and steering wheel are self explanatory. The stock contact ring will remain on the car. You'll need to remove the airbag and horn button connectors from the Elise contact ring (needed to plug into the Elise airbag and horn buttons), cut off the ones fron the stock contact ring (preferrably in such a way that you can resplice them in if needed) then splice the Elise's connetors onto the stock contact ring.

Shouldn't take more than an hour to do including unplugging all the appropriate connectors under the dash first.
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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby lotos » Tue 09.11.2010, 20:27

I see - so we need an Elise contact ring, not the GM Opel/Vauxhaul one you mentioned earlier?
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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby Elanlover » Tue 09.11.2010, 20:48

lotos wrote:I see - so we need an Elise contact ring, not the GM Opel/Vauxhaul one you mentioned earlier?


Well, the Elise contact ring is a GM or Vauxhall one. You can either get an Elise ring or find a Vauxhall one with the matching part number. There's been a few available on eBay.
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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby Brit-Car-Nut » Wed 10.11.2010, 00:06

If the Elise ring is the same as the Vauxhall, then whhy do you need to cut off the Elise connectors and splice them onto the Vauxhall ring?
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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby lotos » Wed 10.11.2010, 00:41

I think you have to cut off the existant M100 one, and splice that into the GM/Elise one. That's what I gather.
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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby Elanlover » Wed 10.11.2010, 14:09

Brit-Car-Nut wrote:If the Elise ring is the same as the Vauxhall, then whhy do you need to cut off the Elise connectors and splice them onto the Vauxhall ring?


You're splicing them onto the stock contact ring which stays in place. All we need the Elise contact ring for is the connectors to mate with the Elise airbag and horn wiring.
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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby lotos » Wed 10.11.2010, 18:51

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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby bobbrown » Sun 21.11.2010, 02:02

I am going to assume all anodised black unless I here onter wise in the next few days, with the exception of Elanlovers as he has his and wanted it silver.

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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby bobbrown » Sun 21.11.2010, 11:28

As a side note it would be quite easy to modify this hub to take other steering wheels like Nardi or Momo would just need a few dimensions off the proposed wheel. Can not be done once it has be machined to take the Elise airbag wheel but as a blank it can.

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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby Elanlover » Sun 21.11.2010, 15:01

The mkII protoype fits nicely! Now, I have only test fit the wheel and not the airbag, horn connections etc. but here's what I know about what's required to fit these. I'll assume you've already followed the procedure for disarming the airbag system and removed the stock wheel. Removing the knee bolster also helps.

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1. The Elise contact ring (or idential GM part sourced from a Vauxhall, etc.) is used only for the connector plugs. Cut off the 2 connectors that are used to plug into the back of the airbag and hook up all the horn wiring.

2. HORN: The stock horn connections use one wire (spliced inside the steering wheel connector to run to 2 horn buttons) for power with the ground wire attached inside the steering wheel body to a ground point. All this you can see when you remove the stock wheel and airbag. Firstly, cut off the stock horn connector from inside the stock wheel as you will want to use this to mate with the stock contact ring. I'd much rather mess with this connector than be modifying the contact ring as the connector can easily be spliced back onto the stock wheel if required. Be sure to give yourself as much wire as you can. Now, there's two ways to go about this - a) and b).

a) Connect both red wires from the stock connector to the brown/white wire of the Elise connector (the two wires are brown and brown/white) that you've cut off from the Elise contact ring. If yours isn't this colour just have a look at which mates to the red wire inside the Elise wheel as that's the one you want to hook up to power. The other wire (brown one) on this connector will not be used and can be taped back or completely removed. Inside the Elise wheel, cut the black wire as close to the connector as you can. Find yourself a wire ring terminal (like this) to attach to the end of the wire you've just cut. make sure its big enough to accept the mounting screw used to attach the hub to the Elise wheel. Because that's where you're going to have the grounding point similar to the stock setup. After these connections are made you can plug the Elise connectors together and, when ready, connect the stock horn connectors together and voila!

b) There is a slightly simpler way to do this and I've described the method above only for those who may wish to keep the cutting of connectors off to a minimum. However, you can eliminate a few steps if you like. Cut off the stock connector as per the above and, instead of connecting it to the Elise's contact ring connector you removed, you can remove the connector inside the Elise wheel entirely and then splice the red wires from the stock horn plug and the (now) bare red wire inside the Elise wheel. Connect the black wire inside the Elise wheel with the ring terminal as described above. This is easier and has less connectors involved but if you're squeamish about cutting off the Elise connector from your newly acquired Elise wheel (I'm not) then you can preserve it as per method a) above.

3) AIRBAG: When I first looked into this I contacted a person who had done a conversion from his Esprit stock wheel and airbag (the exact same as ours) and had made up some kits to move to a new airbag wheel. Apparently, he had sold a few to some Elan owners a while ago to and they were successful (if not expensive). He informed me that of the 2 wires for the airbag connections it didn't matter which was connected to which - that is was a simple current passthrough from the trigger mechanism. So, since they've installed several of these upgraded airbag wheels this way successfully and since the Esprit's system is the same as the Elan's I can only assume the same works for us. So............

With the Elise airbag connector you've removed from the Elise's contact ring, strip the wires back a bit. Cut off the stock airbag connector from the stock contact ring in such a way as to ensure you can splice it back in if you want to (leave enough wire but not too much so as the Elise plug isn't long enough when you splice it in). Connect up the wires. Simple.

4. Once the connections are made you'll need to attach the hub to the Elise wheel, thread the cables from the stock contact ring through the apperature in the hub and mount the wheel using the stock washer and nylock nut. I suggest that before you install the airbag you take the car for a quick spin to ensure the alignment of the wheel is right - that its not off center so that when driving straight ahead, the wheel is turned slightly. I just HATE that don't you!

Once the wheel is aligned the way you want it you can connect and mount the airbag (with the car turned off of course). Then, once all the airbag connections under the dash have been hooked up (see below) start the car and observe the SIR warning light. If operating correctly, it should flash around 7-9 times then turn off. If it stays on or doesn't come on at all there is a problem (let's hope not!).

5. There may be other things you might need besides a ring terminal depending on what you got when you bought your Elise wheel and airbag. You'll need 4 cap head screws and washers (preferrably serrated or lock) to mount the hub to the Elise wheel along with some medium thread locker to be safe. These are M6 screws with a length of (updated) 20mm -25mm. The stock screws are the type that require an allen key to tighten but I plan on using a standard hex head cap screw as they will sit lower - either is fine. Also, two cap head screws similar to the above mentioned stock versions (nice and shiney in the stock version for cosmetic reasons) are required to secure the airbag module to the wheel body. Those will have to be cap screws with allen heads as you likely won't fit a socket wrench into the aperature to get at them. They are also M6 but 15mm appears to be too long - 12mm or 10mm with a washer should be fine. I also recommend some antiseize on the splines of the steering column to facillitate easier removal of the steering wheel in the future as well as some thread locker (medium is fine) on the screws that secure the wheel to the hub and airbag to the wheel.

(updated) You'll also need one ring (if you can find the right size) or spade terminal (spade might be easier to work with) suitable for 16-14 AWG size wire to create your grounding conneciton for the horn. Naturally, 6 washers for the screws are also required. Either 6 serrated washers or 5 lock and 1 flat (used where you decide to attach the grounding wire for the horn) washer will do.

Also, its very important that the contact ring is "centered" before you install the wheel. The ring has about three revolutions to each side before locking. If not centered when you install the wheel, you'll find that you can only turn the steering wheel a little bit in one direction before locking the wheel or breaking the contact ring (NOT advisable as i've no idea where one would source one of these now). Be sure you've centered it by rotating it each way to determine how many revolutions it makes before locking each way (mine was 3) then find the position where its 3 turns each way to lock (as it was in my case - yours "could" possibly vary) before installing the wheel.

6. VERY IMPORTANT STUFF: It goes without saying that you MUST safely disarm the airbag system BEFORE doing ANY work on the steering wheel including starting to remove it. This older type of airbag system is not 2 stage and the force of the airbag inflating at close proximity to your head will almost certainly KILL YOU.

Can I say that enough??? So, anyone invloved in this little project will not be held responsible for any outcome should you not follow the disarming proceedure properly as per the manuals available through download here on LEC. You are doing this work on your own accord and by ordering a hub you are assuming all risk involved. Once disarmed I also suggest you wait 30 minutes before continuing as the DERM module will hold power for at least 10 minutes after power off/battery disconnect.

Assuming all goes well and you've installed the wheel and airbag and connected up all the airbag systems again you'll want to test your install (with fingers crossed likely). Upon first start I suggest you do not do so sitting in the seat. Reach over from the passenger side and turn the key to the first position (before ignition) to observe the SIR warning light action from a safe position. If all looks good, start the car from the same position and observe again.

I'm not trying to put the fear of God into anyone or suggest this isn;t safe or won't work but I do want people to be as safe as possible and I'll always err on the side of caution.

Assuming all went well take the car for a ride, enjoy a smaller, more sporty steering wheel over the truck sized stock one, better horn button action and the satisfaction that comes from a job well done!
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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby Elanlover » Sun 21.11.2010, 18:39

Here's a picture of the Elise wheel after I've done the horn button work using method b) above.

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There are a few little things to add after doing this. First, a ring terminal most likely won't work. The standard one (at Home Depot) is a bit small and won't accept the M6 screw. I used a spade terminal instead which opened up to accept the screw. No impact on the install. Also, I couldn't find a serrated washer I liked so I used an M6 lock washer instead. I also used 20mm screws instead of 15mm that the Elise normally has. The reason being that our hub is thicker than the Elise's and would accept a 20mm screw with plenty to spare (might even be able to go 25mm if you wanted). Definitely better than 15mm screws. Lastly, because I used a spade terminal to ground the horn button I could not use a lock washer on that one screw as it kept chewing up the terminal. I used a standard washer on that screw and all screws had thread locker applied as mentioned in the instructions above. If you could find an appropriate ring terminal I suspect a lock washer could be used. I used butt connectors to splice in the wires and connectors where needed. All screws, washers and connectors were found at your friendly neighborhood Home Depot. The horn works beautifully and is so much better than thumb wrestling the stock horn buttons (I usually lose).
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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby lotos » Sun 21.11.2010, 19:55

Sounds good! Next step is to test the airbag. Whack the front bumper with a hammer and let us know the results.


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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby bobbrown » Sun 21.11.2010, 23:39

I've been having a look into sources for these steering wheels as I am not to sure how easy they are going to be to get hold of and came across this one on fleabay which was on a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 7
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It is a buy it now of £89.00 in the UK, I could get it and make sure it fits the hub I have made and ship the whole lot to some one in the US but would take the risk on condition. Add a Lotus badge in the middle and it should make it look the part. First come...............


Also as a note the Vauxhall VX220 is similar but has two horn buttons similar to the current configuration.
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I may be able to get one of these just checking to see if the guy has the air bag to go with it, with this one you will need to re badge it from Vauxhall to Lotus.

I am not sure with regards to the air bag plug in either of the two above but can check to see what is required.


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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby Elanlover » Mon 22.11.2010, 00:03

Hmm................I wonder what the odds are that this Evo wheel is virtually identical to the Elise wheel...................

Both by Momo, both the same shape, both with what looks like the same airbag. Wouldn't surprise me if its the same. As for the contact rings, there doesn't seem to be any shortage on eBay. There's three on there right now at a cost of $49 each. Some airbags there too. The plug for the airbag is the blue one showing in the pic on that eBay auction.
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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby bobbrown » Mon 22.11.2010, 00:20

would make the VX220 one quite cheap and should fit as the Vx220 is an Elise with a different skin.
I have a VX220 steering wheel purchased for $70.00 USD add in this Fleabay you have the complete wheel for $360.00 USD.

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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby Elanlover » Mon 22.11.2010, 00:26

I just reviewed a bunch of Evo wheels on eBay. The wheel itself is close but the backside is completely different. So, no buying an Evo wheel to use with the Elise hub adaptor. Now, it was hard to see from some of the pics but it looks to me that the airbag itself has the same connector albeit the bag's housing is slightly different in shape (so no using the Evo airbag either). So, if you're stuck, you could try to find a contact ring from an Evo and take a chance on the connector working.
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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby bobbrown » Sun 05.12.2010, 14:46

I am have machined 4 out of the blanks and I am going to leave the other 3 as blanks as they can then be machined for other steering wheels like Momo non air bag wheels etc. Would have done 5 but have not heard from cliffyg so I am going to assume he does not want one.
They will go for anodising Monday and should be back by the end of the week so I can get them off in the post this side of Xmas.
I have an Elise/VX220 Airbag wheel in good condition less airbag, if any one needs one cost is $70.00 USD + postage.

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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor

Postby Dktahg » Sun 09.01.2011, 20:01

Hello
I am new to the group. Is there still hub adaptors avalible to buy?
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