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Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Wed 22.04.2009, 13:48by Elanlover
For those with FED CARS ONLY I have been in contact with an Esprit owners group member who has had an adaptor plate custom made to support a transition from the ugly airbag wheel found on the Elan nd Esprit to a Raid airbag wheel. This adaptor can also be made to work (with some customizing to transition fro 3 to 4 bolt mounting pattern) with the Elise airbag wheel. Pic of the adaptor is below. Its very thin which is what would be needed to ensure the Elise wheel doesn't stick out to much farther than the stock wheel. I am waiting on som dimensions to ensure it will do the job but I'm pretty confident it will. It has been installed on at least 2 Elans in the past to mount a Raid airbag wheel.
The guy who did the project says he needs 20 to justify a production run at about $200 each (not a firm quote). He thinks there are still several Esprit owners who need one still and has asked if we can get 10 of us to indicate interest. Again, that's not a comittment from him - just a starting point that may or may not lead to a run. The other stuff you need to make this ork include an Elise steering wheel and an airbag. Both are often found on eBay. A contact ring might also be usefulbut not necessary. I do have an extra wheel (no airbag) and contact ring that I'd make available for sale (at my original cost) to the first person that requests it should someone need it.
So, if you're interested from what we know today, please indicate so below. Thanks.
1. Elanlover
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Wed 22.04.2009, 15:08by superbad
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Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Wed 22.04.2009, 20:29by lotos
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2. superbad
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Criminy that's a lot of scratch.
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Wed 22.04.2009, 22:26by superbad
The splines are where all the cost is- they are probably cutting them by wire edm. If you knew you were going to be making a bunch, you could have a broaching tool made and bring the unit cost way down.
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Fri 24.04.2009, 05:38by cliffyg
lotos wrote:1. Elanlover
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4. cliffyg
Criminy that's a lot of scratch.
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Thu 07.05.2009, 16:22by Elanlover
This isn't dead in case people were wondering. I am trying to get a price from a local shop to make these which is proving harder than I'd hoped given that there are no samples or CAD drawings available. Hopefully I'll know something soon.
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Tue 12.05.2009, 18:03by lotos
Thanks - appreciate the effort!
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Mon 18.05.2009, 14:33by Elanlover
Okie Dokie. I've received a quote from a local machine shop for making these hubs. $500. I guess we need to look at the option of the Esprit Hub then?
Cost was likely high due to the small production run and the fact that I couldn't supply any diagrams. The hubs that the guy I contacted made for the Esprit (and a few Elan owners) looks pretty good at about $200. I can't imagine getting them made for significantly less than that and I don't think its worth the effort to shop around to save $10. I'll contact the guy and let him know that we have 5 or so people interested and see if that's enough to get a run started. I'll report back what I hear.
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Mon 18.05.2009, 15:57by superbad
What do you have right now exactly? Is there a sample or anything can be measured to make a set of drawings? I can create the drawings and get a couple dozen quotes on mfg.com, but I don't have an Elise wheel to measure, and I'd have to take my car apart to get the other dimensions (possible, but inconvenient as I drive it almost every day).
You'd be amazed at the disparity in machining quotes you get normally- when I put even a simple machined part out for quote, there's usually at least a factor of 10 difference between the high and low bid. That doesn't mean we could get these for $20- I think that $200 price is probably in the middle somewhere.
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Mon 18.05.2009, 20:10by Elanlover
superbad wrote:What do you have right now exactly? Is there a sample or anything can be measured to make a set of drawings? I can create the drawings and get a couple dozen quotes on mfg.com, but I don't have an Elise wheel to measure, and I'd have to take my car apart to get the other dimensions (possible, but inconvenient as I drive it almost every day).
You'd be amazed at the disparity in machining quotes you get normally- when I put even a simple machined part out for quote, there's usually at least a factor of 10 difference between the high and low bid. That doesn't mean we could get these for $20- I think that $200 price is probably in the middle somewhere.
Actually, I have nothing other than the picture posted here and kniowledge of what few differences needed to accomodate the Elise wheel. I'm not sure the guy I spoke with who did the original runs has drawings either. What I could do though is go to him and ask him for the drawings if he has them and thinks he won't have enough for a run. He might be kind enough to give me a copy if he has them. I'll e-mail him today.
On a related topic, I have the old steering wheel out for some work and got the speedo and fascia mask back in place. So, I held the Elise wheel up to get a sense of the view of the instruments. I'm 5'10" and i have lowered my seats about halfway from stock to the bare floor. The top of the speedo if cut off so you can't see the numbers at the top. Something like 100kmph (60mph) - 160kmph (100mph) are either partially or totally obscured. Also, on the tach, the numerals 1 and 2 are obscured and the fuel gauge is obscured from Full to about half empty. Now, If I lowered the seat further I think I could see most of the speedo. But, I don't think the sides will be more visible.
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Mon 18.05.2009, 23:02by superbad
Elanlover wrote:Actually, I have nothing other than the picture posted here and kniowledge of what few differences needed to accomodate the Elise wheel. I'm not sure the guy I spoke with who did the original runs has drawings either. What I could do though is go to him and ask him for the drawings if he has them and thinks he won't have enough for a run. He might be kind enough to give me a copy if he has them. I'll e-mail him today.
OK, cool. Let me know if I can help. The original version at $200 isn't a bad price if he's willing to make them again.
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Wed 20.05.2009, 20:58by Elanlover
Gettng closer now with some chit chat back and forth. He needs 15 for a run. We have 4 interested (still hopefully). I might add one for a spare or for sale later. We'll have a final price soon enough if he can get 15 total and figure out what the cost will be to modify the original design to meet the Elise wheel's needs (2 small changes).
One thing's for sure, there won't be another run anytime soon on this so better buck up now if you have any interest at all. I still have one extra Elise wheel without the airbag still available too.
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Mon 25.05.2009, 19:22by Elanlover
The guy organizing the run needs to see if he can source the RAID airbag connectors. Thesea are needed (not for us) to ensure that the OTHER Esprit owners can connect up their wheels. He'll let me knw what he finds but this is a key ingredient to getting this adaptor built.
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Thu 25.06.2009, 13:27by Elanlover
I have engaged Bob (of brake and suspension fame) here at LEC to see if he can have these made. Upon initial review, he believes he can have them made at less cost than has been quoted so far.
Don't give up hope! We'll have our Elise wheels on the Elan yet
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Mon 29.06.2009, 21:47by lotos
Now about converting to tilt-wheel.....
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Mon 29.06.2009, 22:02by Elanlover
lotos wrote:Now about converting to tilt-wheel.....
Don't think that'll happen although I did see a "possible" way to adjust the position of the wheel slightly. That's another thread though
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Mon 29.06.2009, 23:01by nitroman
Elanlover wrote:On a related topic, I have the old steering wheel out for some work and got the speedo and fascia mask back in place. So, I held the Elise wheel up to get a sense of the view of the instruments. I'm 5'10" and i have lowered my seats about halfway from stock to the bare floor. The top of the speedo if cut off so you can't see the numbers at the top. Something like 100kmph (60mph) - 160kmph (100mph) are either partially or totally obscured. Also, on the tach, the numerals 1 and 2 are obscured and the fuel gauge is obscured from Full to about half empty. Now, If I lowered the seat further I think I could see most of the speedo. But, I don't think the sides will be more visible.
What are the
rim dimensions (OD & ID of the rim) of the Elise wheel VS the Elan wheel?
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Mon 29.06.2009, 23:54by lotos
Elanlover wrote:lotos wrote:Now about converting to tilt-wheel.....
Don't think that'll happen although I did see a "possible" way to adjust the position of the wheel slightly. That's another thread though
So start that thread!
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Tue 30.06.2009, 02:50by esprit888
About this much
nitroman wrote:Elanlover wrote:On a related topic, I have the old steering wheel out for some work and got the speedo and fascia mask back in place. So, I held the Elise wheel up to get a sense of the view of the instruments. I'm 5'10" and i have lowered my seats about halfway from stock to the bare floor. The top of the speedo if cut off so you can't see the numbers at the top. Something like 100kmph (60mph) - 160kmph (100mph) are either partially or totally obscured. Also, on the tach, the numerals 1 and 2 are obscured and the fuel gauge is obscured from Full to about half empty. Now, If I lowered the seat further I think I could see most of the speedo. But, I don't think the sides will be more visible.
What are the
rim dimensions (OD & ID of the rim) of the Elise wheel VS the Elan wheel?
Re: Elise Airbag Steering Wheel Hub Adaptor
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Tue 30.06.2009, 22:05by lotusgirlmarie
Noteworthy tidbit. The Elise wheel is not hubcentric meaning that the bit that attaches to the steering column is not in the middle of the wheel like the OEM Elan/Esprit wheel. Just an interesting bit.
