Samco Silicone Coolant Hoses-Federal Cars

[TheBard]

Dear Algirdas,

Just wanted to add my thanks for all the hard work you've put in on this, and let me/us know if there is anything we can do to help out at this difficult time.

Cheers,
Ian

[algirdas]

Dear Ian and Everyone Else:

Prayers and patience. Just pray for my Dad and me and be patient with me as I am behind in everything I am doing for everyone at LEC.

Sincerely,

Algirdas

[nitroman]

Dear Al,

Are you sure you don't want me to send off the non-existent, not even DB shows them on the books 90-deg-Fed-hose to Amber? I'm certain I can cobble something functional in the interim.

This one hose is keeping me from getting my car to the condition that my psychological disorders demand; so really, it is a matter of medical need for me.

If you change your mind and are willing to accept aid in this, please let me know.

Sincerely, Matt

[nitroman]

Al, didn't mean to come off harsh about the Wilwoods or bug you about the Samco's. Sorry if I did.

I was under the car Sunday & I really do need new hoses though; it's a matter of rubber-deterioration because of time. 80% of the hoses show evidence of leaks in the past. The t-stat to rad hose with the missing 90-deg-bend is holding if not perfect, but I need to replace the rest. Think I'll contact Samco about this & just order the missing hose later. Make sense to you?

[algirdas]

Dear Matt:

Let's do this: Order the Samco Fed set from Amber Performance. This should get you all of the hoses except for that odd little elbow that goes between the metal tube and the radiator on the left hand or driver's side. I have bought two of those odd little elbows from Dave Bean and will be sending one to James today, in fact, so that Samco can start making the moulds for it.

If you can, try to re-use the odd little elbow off of your car with the Samco hoses. That is what I did two nights ago. If you cannot, I'll send you the other hose I received yesterday and you can use it until the Samco replacement arrives.

PM me your address if that is what you want me to do.

Sincerely,

Algirdas

[nitroman]

OK will do. I thought you had said DB didn't have any of the little-elbows at all.

I bought the original Amber kit (the 1st ever offered) so I'll have to mail-back the Euro hoses, etc. Hope that won't take forever (in other words, that he won't ship the replacement hoses until he receives the Euro hoses back).

Thanks, Matt

[algirdas]

Dear Matt:

When I first talked with Dave Bean, we were looking for a "hose" or something like that. That came up with nothing in the parts manual or in their systems. When I pulled my hoses the other night and found a part number on it, I was able to look it up and it is called a "connector" or something like that. He had two in stock and I bought them so that I could send one to James and have a spare on hand in case you or Ian or someone else needed to make a move before I was able to completely get this finished up. Worst case, a spare for me while I wait for the Samco hose.

Sincerely,

Algirdas

[algirdas]

Dear All:

Today I confirmed with James at Amber Performance that he received what I hope is the final unique hose to the Fed Elans and that it is on its way to Samco for reproduction. I will keep you all posted.

Again, please accept my apologies for this screw up.

Sincerely,

Algirdas

[mailman221]

Any word on the odd hose misssing from the Fed set?

[algirdas]

Dear All:

I spoke with James the other day and he will be talking to Samco this week to check on the status. I should know more by this time next week.

Sincerely,

Algirdas

[tigerdog]

Hello All! Smaug used the public forum of the annual San Diego Rolling British Car Day to inform me of his need for a new hose set. After overheating on bridge in Balboa Park, we got him cooled down and nursed home, but clearly some hose or another is split (looks like it's up near the coolant tank.) Anyway, I've emailed James this afternoon but was curious to find out whether the Fed set will now be truly complete. Thanks to everyone (Algirdas especially) who's worked so hard to make Fed hoses readily available!

[algirdas]

Dear All:


I spoke with James April 9th, 2008 and he informs me that Samco is having a real tough time reproducing that funky little hose. Can't seem to get the tooling right for those two tight 90 bends according to James. He added that Samco is going to give it one last (according to James, sixth and last) try. After that, we are back to rubber or our own devices.

I'll keep on top of this until the bitter end.

Sincerely,

Algirdas

[nitroman]

Dear All:


I spoke with James April 9th, 2008 and he informs me that Samco is having a real tough time reproducing that funky little hose. Can't seem to get the tooling right for those two tight 90 bends according to James. He added that Samco is going to give it one last (according to James, sixth and last) try. After that, we are back to rubber or our own devices.

I'll keep on top of this until the bitter end.

Sincerely,

Algirdas

Which hose in the parts manual is this? (Page#, item# on drawing, and part#)

[mailman221]

Has anyone come up with a part number for our missing Fed hose?

[tigerdog]

Has anyone come up with a part number for our missing Fed hose?

I've scoured the parts guide; page 334 illustrates the cooling hoses but the fed hose isn't shown. Page 335 lists a "connector pipe - bottom hose" part number B100K0073F for Fed/SIR cars. This part is not illustrated, though, so it's difficult to say with certainty whether the part number is correct.

Edit: B100K0073F is not the correct part number. This is the number for the metal pipe joining the main lower rad hose to the branch hose serving the electric coolant pump.

[dapinky]

Tigerdog,

I'm not sure what the hose you mean actually looks like, as i have not seen one!

However, I do have a different version of the parts book which is primarily for LHD cars (EUR & FED) and it gives the following picture and part numbers - i don't know if any of it helps you out, but maybe you can identify which bit you need from this info????

Service Parts List
SpecificationELAN,TURBO,LHD,EUR.
Title4601 ENGINE WATER COOLING SYSTEMS
ILLUS NO. PART NUMBER DESCRIPTION QUANTITY REMARKS
002 A100K6007F Header Tank - Cooling System 1.0
003 A100K6008F Filler Cap - Header TankB2 1.0
007 A100K0017F Cooling FanB3 2.0
014 A075W1027Z Set Screw 3.0
015 A075W4013Z Washer (10) 6mm x 12.1mmA 3.0
016 A100K0025F Radiator Top HoseB3 1.0
018 A100K6006F Hose Clamp - Dia. 32-50 4.0
019 A100K6015F Grommet - Fan Mounting 8.0
020 A075W3008Z Nut T Typ 8.0
021 A075W4011Z Washer 10 5mm x 9.7 x 0.9 8.0
023 A100K0035F Foam Pad-Radiator 2.0
024 A100K6016F Grommet-Radiator 2.0
025 A100K6017F Bush-Radiator Support 2.0
026 A079K6018F Hose Clip 1.0
027 A082L6042F Hose ClipA 1.0
030 A100K0038F Hose-Thermostat/TankB3 1.0
032 B100K0040F Bracket-Water Pump 1.0
033 A100K0041K Rubber-Water Pump Bracket 1.0
036 A100K6018F Water Pump 12vB3 1.0
038 A075W4011Z Washer 10 5mm x 9.7 x 0.9 3.0 ZINC PLATE
039 D100K0037F Bracket-Header Tank 1.0
040 A100K0042F RadiatorB1 1.0
041 D100K0043F Hose BranchB3 1.0
042 B100K0073F Hose Joiner-Long 1.0
043 A100K0045F Hose-Branch To Header B3 1.0
044 A100K6025F Clip-Coolant Pipe 1.0
046 A100K0048F Hose Joiner-Short 1.0
046 B075K0111Z Junction Pipe 1.0
047 B907E6085Z Clip A 8.0
047 A079K6018F Hose Clip 6.0
048 D100K0004F Bottom Hose B3 1.0
050 A100E6225F Cable Clip 1.0
055 A075W4015Z Washer M6 x 15mm x 1.5mm 3.0
080 A075W6038Z Tie Wrap A 1.0

[tigerdog]

Dave, thanks for the posting - it's definitely different than the illustration in my parts book. The differences are interesting, too: it seems pretty obvious that Lotus' solution to the Fed radiator positioning was to hack segments out of the standard plumbing and replace with appropriate lengths of metal tubing to make up the difference in length! However, I still don't see the hose in question. There's a photo earlier in the thread in this entry.

[GeoffSmith]

I presume the two hoses in Matt's post are the top and bottom radiator hoses that correspond to items 16 and 48 - the bottom hose is D100K0004F.

In the manuals on LEC, the only SIR equipped bottom hose listed is B100K0077F.

it seems pretty obvious that Lotus' solution to the Fed radiator positioning was to hack segments out of the standard plumbing and replace with appropriate lengths of metal tubing to make up the difference in length!

I agree, but to be fair, it looks like Lotus worked on it because D signifies 4th revision of K0004F and B signifies second revision of K0077F. Question is, will they all do the same job?

One thing I can't work out from Matt's picture is where the header tank/pump hose connects though.

[algirdas]

Dear Tigerdog:

Its that double 90 degree hose that is causing all of the problems for Samco. I tried calling James today but got no answer. Last time I talked with him, he said he would be contacting Samco to get a status update.

I have one of those hoses out and will try to get a part number off of it since it apparently is listed in the book, but is not pictured.

Sincerely,

Algirdas

[algirdas]

Dear Tigerdog:

The mutant hose that Samco can't seem to replicate is A100K0072F.

Sincerely,

Algirdas