A Pillar Seals -- REPLACEMENT IS POSSIBLE!!!

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A Pillar Seals -- REPLACEMENT IS POSSIBLE!!!

Postby tweetdriver63 » Fri 21.09.2007, 19:07

:cheers: :clap: :smt023 :smt026 :smt038 :smt023 :smt006 :smt054

OK. Now that I've got everybody's attention, I may have very good news.

I just spoke to Tom at a place called Replacement Parts (very creative name). I was given their number when I visited Mississippi Rubber Company in Jackson yesterday. He is confident that they can make us replacement seals. He said that's exactly the kind of thing they do. he told me of a recent customer who needed original type tires for a very old Harley-Davidson he was restoring, and they were able to fabricate them, white-walls and all, to the original specs.

Here's what I need:

I need to send them a good set of pictures of the seals. Does anybody have a source for some good pics?

The part number would be good for me to send them, too. (Is that somewhere on the manuals disc I have?)

The best possible thing would be for me to send them an actual seal, in as good shape as possible. Does anybody out there have one that they could send to these guys? You'll get it back. PM me, or post a reply here, and I'll get you in touch with them.

I also know that we'd like them to be better than the originals, but I'm not knowledgable enough to discuss that with them. Can somebody more knowledgable than me do that?

He said if I can get them some good pics, or a sample (which would obviously be best), they could have a sample product in about 2 weeks, and production in about 6 weeks.

Has anybody ever taken a poll to see how many people need these? I told him there are probably 4 or 5 thousand of these cars, and probably at least half of them need new seals. I then told him I was confident there would be at least 100 owners at LEC that would want at least one set. Do you think I was close? I personally will probably get an extra set if this works out.

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Postby tigerdog » Fri 21.09.2007, 23:55

Production in 6 weeks????!!!! Wow! I have heard rumours of several new seals, still in packages, being safely tucked away by list members. Who might be brave enough to send one?

Just curious: if we can get a seal from one side, are the fabricator's tools sufficient such that a mirror-image could be fabricated as well or do we need to loan a pattern from each side of the car?
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Postby tweetdriver63 » Sat 22.09.2007, 01:38

tigerdog wrote:Production in 6 weeks????!!!! Wow! I have heard rumours of several new seals, still in packages, being safely tucked away by list members. Who might be brave enough to send one?

Just curious: if we can get a seal from one side, are the fabricator's tools sufficient such that a mirror-image could be fabricated as well or do we need to loan a pattern from each side of the car?


I'm assuming that to be the case, since Tom didn't say anything about needing both sides. I could be wrong, though.

I also don't know what the cost might be, but I'm pretty sure it won't be as much, certainly not more, than the cost would be from Korea (if we could get them there). Another thread says we can't, but back when some people did get them, a year or so ago, they were about 300 british pounds, which would be about $600 (for a pair). Tom did say they probably wouldn't cost hundreds of dollars, and it sounded like they wouldn't be tryingto make a fortune in profit from us.
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Postby Ekapol » Sat 22.09.2007, 06:23

:cheers: Good news indeed Tweetdriver63.

What about asking them to make all the seals as the whole kit. Even a brand new set from Lotus you purchase today will be rotten in few months.

That would be awesome if we could even make them from a better material.

Am I actually pushing my luck now.

A-pillar seals are a very good start :-)
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Postby tweetdriver63 » Sat 22.09.2007, 06:26

I'm sure if they can do the a-pillar seals, they can do them all. I just need to get them something to go by.
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Postby surfboardfiller » Mon 24.09.2007, 18:30

A change in materials and design could be the solution to making some seals that seal.

I'm interested in what material they work with, what's their factory/knowledge set up for? I guess that is the first thing, a model is not a problem for me, design, R&D needs time and costs money.
Final mould is the expensive bit and manufacturing the right material and shape.

Just my thoughts. :D
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Postby Ashaman » Tue 02.10.2007, 19:54

Agreed - this coated open-cell stuff (for lack of the proper name) is crap. Any minor damage to the outer coating turns the whole thing into a sponge! Not to mention that it quickly starts breaking down right after that.

I have looked at several convertibles over the years and amazingly, none of them used this type of seal. So yeah, if they could come up with another material that would be great!
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Postby Ekapol » Wed 03.10.2007, 08:57

Ashaman wrote:Agreed - this coated open-cell stuff (for lack of the proper name) is crap. Any minor damage to the outer coating turns the whole thing into a sponge! Not to mention that it quickly starts breaking down right after that.



:agree: I'm dying for a new set of proper seals all around. Factory replacement parts that last few months will simply make me feel more stupid than what I already am. And how much they charge for those pieces of ... not so good engineering again? :smt091
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Postby GeoffSmith » Thu 11.10.2007, 18:58

Some information on this thread.
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Postby rip » Fri 12.10.2007, 10:40

geoffsmith wrote:Some information on this thread.


Looks like a dead link, Geoff.

Tweets: how is this progressing? Do you want a list of interested parties?
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Postby tweetdriver63 » Fri 12.10.2007, 13:35

rip wrote:
geoffsmith wrote:Some information on this thread.


Looks like a dead link, Geoff.

Tweets: how is this progressing? Do you want a list of interested parties?


The link seems to work for me. If it doesn't for you, go to "Elan Parts - For Sale/A-Pillar seal-right side."

if you go there, you'll get a good idea where we stand. Basically, Phil will get back to work on a model of an improved version. I would personally rather wait a few extra months for the improved design, but whatever the majority needs/wants should win out. We may go ahead and send Will's extra (new) seal to the company so they can get scans/measurements in case we ultimately decide to go with a duplicate of the original design.

Yes. A list of interested parties, and how many sets they each will want, would be helpful in getting the company going, and getting pricing. Anybody who PMs me, the list will get where it needs to go.

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Oh goody!

Postby wonderfish » Sun 04.11.2007, 15:00

Well, I for one am certainly interested - I am fed up with bunging a car cap over my car every night!
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Re: Oh goody!

Postby rip » Sun 04.11.2007, 17:14

wonderfish wrote:Well, I for one am certainly interested - I am fed up with bunging a car cap over my car every night!


Don't expect too much. Your roof will probably not be watertight even with new seals.

I have been re-assured that Lotus will be producing these again "fairly soon".
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Postby dermotbell » Tue 27.11.2007, 00:31

Any news on the new and improved seals?
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door piller seals

Postby Ade » Fri 25.04.2008, 21:35

New piller seals count me in
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Re: door piller seals

Postby garymb » Sat 14.06.2008, 18:27

Ade wrote:New piller seals count me in
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Me too. Any update?-- all seems to have gone quiet... :?
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Postby theelanman » Sun 15.06.2008, 10:35

I have the scans and the 3d models as the manufacturers now....theyre currently going through the materials stage of the process before they even think about manufacture.......
I should get some feedback in the next couple of weeks....

I can then start doing the costing out......

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Postby dermotbell » Sun 15.06.2008, 20:08

Good work, our prayers are with you. :P
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Postby HJ2 » Mon 16.06.2008, 20:46

Amen to that!
(and count me in as well)

PM me if i can be of any tech assistance and keep up the good work!


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Postby BFG in the BRG » Wed 18.06.2008, 17:15

If you could count me in that would be great, especially if it is made out of a more hard wearing material :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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