New door handle escutcheons

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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby Brit-Car-Nut » Tue 15.05.2012, 19:49

1. Wayne - Confirmed
2. superbad - Confirmed
3. DeanG - Confirmed - Gray
4. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
5. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
6. ex-exige - CONFIRMED (if they're £20-25, I'll take two pairs)
7. smudge - Confirmed
8. Geoff - Confirmed - Dark Grey
9. Lansledj - Confirmed
10. maz_r - Confirmed
11. inkitin - Confirmed - grey to match the door card
12. Dunnlor - Confirmed
13. rip - Confirmed
14. rip - Confirmed
15. theelanman - Confirmed
16. Dave Eds
17. Bob
18. Hatters - Confirmed
19. Pinky - Confirmed - grey to match the door card moreso than OE shade.
20. Gazza
21. Paza1
22. Steve M - Confirmed
23. LGM - Confirmed
24. LGM - Confirmed
25. Lotus54 - Confirmed
26. Cliff - Confirmed
27. Epipete - Confirmed - Gray
28. Camalot
29. Ekapol - Confirmed
30. Ekapol - Confirmed
31. NSR250 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
32. havacs
33. Gareth (with a "G") - Confirmed
34. Racerstev confirmed
35. Erod
36. Nicowalker1
37. donsladek - Confirmed
38. lotusnut
39. Denny - Confirmed - Dark Gray
40. Stryker
41. rogthedodge
42. madbilly - Confirmed - Dark Grey
43. maz_r (second set) - Confirmed
44. madbilly (second set) - Confirmed - Dark Grey
45. Ashm - Confirmed
46. Epipete - (second set) Confirmed - Gray
47. Gary 1958 - Confirmed
48. Lotuselanman - Confirmed
49. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
50. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
51. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
52. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
53. tigerdog - Confirmed - doorcard-matching grey if there's an option
54. tte200 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
55. pjw12 - confirmed - dark gray
56. John_W - Confirmed - grey
57. nyssa7 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
58. daveA - Confirmed - Dark Gray
59. GoM100Go - Confirmed - Dark Gray
60. DaveB - confirmed - grey or gray!
61. RichardK - Confirmed - Gray
62. ESM - Confirmed - Gray
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby wayne » Tue 15.05.2012, 20:00

ESM wrote:They look great ! Is there room for one more?


The more the merrier.... (and it will help keep the cost down).

Add your name to Johns list (or maybe he will be along soon to do it for you :-)

(sorry I have no idea how to edit the list)

My only concerns have been that the company make a good replica. Upto now I am very happy with the information that they have given me.
Looking at the pics there are a couple of areas I want to look at closely when they arrive.

Other than this. They have done a fantastic job. They always answer any questions that we have had and although a very small company they seem to be making a great deal of effort to produce a very low volume part. Due to the quantity the sales girl has said that they almost dismissed my request.... Fortunatly I did mention that there may be other parts to follow. Which seemed to get her attention :-)

I'm not expecting them to arrive for a few days. I just hope that when they do they will be a perfect match....
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby hatters » Tue 15.05.2012, 23:11

Great news Wayne I shall look forward to getting mine
Well done super job
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby Gareth » Wed 16.05.2012, 06:13

Brit-Car-Nut wrote:1. Wayne - Confirmed
2. superbad - Confirmed
3. DeanG - Confirmed - Gray
4. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
5. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
6. ex-exige - CONFIRMED (if they're £20-25, I'll take two pairs)
7. smudge - Confirmed
8. Geoff - Confirmed - Dark Grey
9. Lansledj - Confirmed
10. maz_r - Confirmed
11. inkitin - Confirmed - grey to match the door card
12. Dunnlor - Confirmed
13. rip - Confirmed
14. rip - Confirmed
15. theelanman - Confirmed
16. Dave Eds
17. Bob
18. Hatters - Confirmed
19. Pinky - Confirmed - grey to match the door card moreso than OE shade.
20. Gazza
21. Paza1
22. Steve M - Confirmed
23. LGM - Confirmed
24. LGM - Confirmed
25. Lotus54 - Confirmed
26. Cliff - Confirmed
27. Epipete - Confirmed - Gray
28. Camalot
29. Ekapol - Confirmed
30. Ekapol - Confirmed
31. NSR250 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
32. havacs
33. Gareth (with a "G") - Confirmed - 2 Pairs
34. Racerstev confirmed
35. Erod
36. Nicowalker1
37. donsladek - Confirmed
38. lotusnut
39. Denny - Confirmed - Dark Gray
40. Stryker
41. rogthedodge
42. madbilly - Confirmed - Dark Grey
43. maz_r (second set) - Confirmed
44. madbilly (second set) - Confirmed - Dark Grey
45. Ashm - Confirmed
46. Epipete - (second set) Confirmed - Gray
47. Gary 1958 - Confirmed
48. Lotuselanman - Confirmed
49. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
50. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
51. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
52. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
53. tigerdog - Confirmed - doorcard-matching grey if there's an option
54. tte200 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
55. pjw12 - confirmed - dark gray
56. John_W - Confirmed - grey
57. nyssa7 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
58. daveA - Confirmed - Dark Gray
59. GoM100Go - Confirmed - Dark Gray
60. DaveB - confirmed - grey or gray!
61. RichardK - Confirmed - Gray
62. ESM - Confirmed - Gray
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby Brit-Car-Nut » Wed 16.05.2012, 06:20

1. Wayne - Confirmed
2. superbad - Confirmed
3. DeanG - Confirmed - Gray
4. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
5. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
6. ex-exige - CONFIRMED (if they're £20-25, I'll take two pairs)
7. smudge - Confirmed
8. Geoff - Confirmed - Dark Grey
9. Lansledj - Confirmed
10. maz_r - Confirmed
11. inkitin - Confirmed - grey to match the door card
12. Dunnlor - Confirmed
13. rip - Confirmed
14. rip - Confirmed
15. theelanman - Confirmed
16. Dave Eds
17. Bob
18. Hatters - Confirmed
19. Pinky - Confirmed - grey to match the door card moreso than OE shade.
20. Gazza
21. Paza1
22. Steve M - Confirmed
23. LGM - Confirmed
24. LGM - Confirmed
25. Lotus54 - Confirmed
26. Cliff - Confirmed
27. Epipete - Confirmed - Gray
28. Camalot
29. Ekapol - Confirmed
30. Ekapol - Confirmed
31. NSR250 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
32. havacs
33. Gareth (with a "G") - Confirmed See #63
34. Racerstev confirmed
35. Erod
36. Nicowalker1
37. donsladek - Confirmed
38. lotusnut
39. Denny - Confirmed - Dark Gray
40. Stryker
41. rogthedodge
42. madbilly - Confirmed - Dark Grey
43. maz_r (second set) - Confirmed
44. madbilly (second set) - Confirmed - Dark Grey
45. Ashm - Confirmed
46. Epipete - (second set) Confirmed - Gray
47. Gary 1958 - Confirmed
48. Lotuselanman - Confirmed
49. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
50. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
51. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
52. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
53. tigerdog - Confirmed - doorcard-matching grey if there's an option
54. tte200 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
55. pjw12 - confirmed - dark gray
56. John_W - Confirmed - grey
57. nyssa7 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
58. daveA - Confirmed - Dark Gray
59. GoM100Go - Confirmed - Dark Gray
60. DaveB - confirmed - grey or gray!
61. RichardK - Confirmed - Gray
62. ESM - Confirmed - Gray
63. Gareth (with a "G") - Confirmed - Second Pair
64. lotusguymichael - Confirmed - Dark Gray
65. lotusguymichael - Confirmed - Dark Gray
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby Ladythorpe2 » Tue 22.05.2012, 16:05

HI

I would like to order a pair if the list is still open
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1. Wayne - Confirmed
2. superbad - Confirmed
3. DeanG - Confirmed - Gray
4. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
5. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
6. ex-exige - CONFIRMED (if they're £20-25, I'll take two pairs)
7. smudge - Confirmed
8. Geoff - Confirmed - Dark Grey
9. Lansledj - Confirmed
10. maz_r - Confirmed
11. inkitin - Confirmed - grey to match the door card
12. Dunnlor - Confirmed
13. rip - Confirmed
14. rip - Confirmed
15. theelanman - Confirmed
16. Dave Eds
17. Bob
18. Hatters - Confirmed
19. Pinky - Confirmed - grey to match the door card moreso than OE shade.
20. Gazza
21. Paza1
22. Steve M - Confirmed
23. LGM - Confirmed
24. LGM - Confirmed
25. Lotus54 - Confirmed
26. Cliff - Confirmed
27. Epipete - Confirmed - Gray
28. Camalot
29. Ekapol - Confirmed
30. Ekapol - Confirmed
31. NSR250 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
32. havacs
33. Gareth (with a "G") - Confirmed See #63
34. Racerstev confirmed
35. Erod
36. Nicowalker1
37. donsladek - Confirmed
38. lotusnut
39. Denny - Confirmed - Dark Gray
40. Stryker
41. rogthedodge
42. madbilly - Confirmed - Dark Grey
43. maz_r (second set) - Confirmed
44. madbilly (second set) - Confirmed - Dark Grey
45. Ashm - Confirmed
46. Epipete - (second set) Confirmed - Gray
47. Gary 1958 - Confirmed
48. Lotuselanman - Confirmed
49. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
50. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
51. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
52. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
53. tigerdog - Confirmed - doorcard-matching grey if there's an option
54. tte200 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
55. pjw12 - confirmed - dark gray
56. John_W - Confirmed - grey
57. nyssa7 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
58. daveA - Confirmed - Dark Gray
59. GoM100Go - Confirmed - Dark Gray
60. DaveB - confirmed - grey or gray!
61. RichardK - Confirmed - Gray
62. ESM - Confirmed - Gray
63. Gareth (with a "G") - Confirmed - Second Pair
64. lotusguymichael - Confirmed - Dark Gray
65. lotusguymichael - Confirmed - Dark Gray
66. Ladythorpe2 - Dark Grey
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby Brit-Car-Nut » Tue 22.05.2012, 16:26

No problem. Thanks.

1. Wayne - Confirmed
2. superbad - Confirmed
3. DeanG - Confirmed - Gray
4. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
5. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
6. ex-exige - CONFIRMED (if they're £20-25, I'll take two pairs)
7. smudge - Confirmed
8. Geoff - Confirmed - Dark Grey
9. Lansledj - Confirmed
10. maz_r - Confirmed
11. inkitin - Confirmed - grey to match the door card
12. Dunnlor - Confirmed
13. rip - Confirmed
14. rip - Confirmed
15. theelanman - Confirmed
16. Dave Eds
17. Bob
18. Hatters - Confirmed
19. Pinky - Confirmed - grey to match the door card moreso than OE shade.
20. Gazza
21. Paza1
22. Steve M - Confirmed
23. LGM - Confirmed
24. LGM - Confirmed
25. Lotus54 - Confirmed
26. Cliff - Confirmed
27. Epipete - Confirmed - Gray
28. Camalot
29. Ekapol - Confirmed
30. Ekapol - Confirmed
31. NSR250 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
32. havacs
33. Gareth (with a "G") - Confirmed See #63
34. Racerstev confirmed
35. Erod
36. Nicowalker1
37. donsladek - Confirmed
38. lotusnut
39. Denny - Confirmed - Dark Gray
40. Stryker
41. rogthedodge
42. madbilly - Confirmed - Dark Grey
43. maz_r (second set) - Confirmed
44. madbilly (second set) - Confirmed - Dark Grey
45. Ashm - Confirmed
46. Epipete - (second set) Confirmed - Gray
47. Gary 1958 - Confirmed
48. Lotuselanman - Confirmed
49. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
50. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
51. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
52. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
53. tigerdog - Confirmed - doorcard-matching grey if there's an option
54. tte200 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
55. pjw12 - confirmed - dark gray
56. John_W - Confirmed - grey
57. nyssa7 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
58. daveA - Confirmed - Dark Gray
59. GoM100Go - Confirmed - Dark Gray
60. DaveB - confirmed - grey or gray!
61. RichardK - Confirmed - Gray
62. ESM - Confirmed - Gray
63. Gareth (with a "G") - Confirmed - Second Pair
64. lotusguymichael - Confirmed - Dark Gray
65. lotusguymichael - Confirmed - Dark Gray
66. Ladythorpe2 - Confirmed -Dark Grey
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby ESM » Thu 24.05.2012, 21:42

wayne wrote:
ESM wrote:They look great ! Is there room for one more?


The more the merrier.... (and it will help keep the cost down).


:cheers:
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby JoP » Wed 30.05.2012, 21:34

I'd like a set please, what is the cost. Mine were broken by heavy handed fitters (speakers) at Halfords

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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby wayne » Thu 31.05.2012, 22:28

Well by the time we all have recieved the new escutcheons I wonder if Geoff will award me with the prize for the longest running "group buy" thread ??

Good news is I picked up the samples this morning and the texture issue seems to have been solved. Not perfect. Maybe a bit more pronounced than the kia part but I am personally very happy with the way it has turned out.

texture.jpg


The colour is still not perfect. They have now had 2 attempts at matching the colour. It's Maybe a little darker and possibly looking more brown tint like the origional than matching the Kia part.
Looking at the back of the part it looks the same colour. so maybe it's due to the texture? Depending on the viewing angle the colour changes alot

China in door.jpg

china part

china in door 2.jpg

China part

Kia in door.jpg

Kia sample

It does fit in the door card alot easier than the Kia sample. I'm scared of snapping the Kia part when I install it.

back 1.jpg


back 2.jpg


parts.jpg


Not sure if I should send the Kia part back to see if they can do a better match or live with what we have. I know they have already gone through a great deal of extra effort to get this far.
I know it is not "perfect" but I am starting to wonder if it's the best they can do.

Any advice greatly appreciated

Regards

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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby alan e » Thu 31.05.2012, 23:21

I think they look a very good match i dont think you do any better at the price and i for one will be very happy to have them as they are.

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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby ashm » Thu 31.05.2012, 23:30

Great work - very impressed!
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby wayne » Fri 01.06.2012, 00:16

JoP wrote:I'd like a set please, what is the cost. Mine were broken by heavy handed fitters (speakers) at Halfords

Regards

Jo


Hi Jo. Thank you for your interest. At the moment I can not give a final price.... I am still awaiting to hear on shipping and import duty..... At the end of the day it willl not exceed the £30 cost. I will hopefully be able to make it less.

If you are interested at the £30 mark.... then If I can makeit for a lower cost we are all happy:)
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby hatters » Fri 01.06.2012, 00:17

Lets put it this way
They are 100% better than the cracked ones I have at the moment
Great job well done
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby Brit-Car-Nut » Fri 01.06.2012, 01:19

1. Wayne - Confirmed
2. superbad - Confirmed
3. DeanG - Confirmed - Gray
4. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
5. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
6. ex-exige - CONFIRMED (if they're £20-25, I'll take two pairs)
7. smudge - Confirmed
8. Geoff - Confirmed - Dark Grey
9. Lansledj - Confirmed
10. maz_r - Confirmed
11. inkitin - Confirmed - grey to match the door card
12. Dunnlor - Confirmed
13. rip - Confirmed
14. rip - Confirmed
15. theelanman - Confirmed
16. Dave Eds
17. Bob
18. Hatters - Confirmed
19. Pinky - Confirmed - grey to match the door card moreso than OE shade.
20. Gazza
21. Paza1
22. Steve M - Confirmed
23. LGM - Confirmed
24. LGM - Confirmed
25. Lotus54 - Confirmed
26. Cliff - Confirmed
27. Epipete - Confirmed - Gray
28. Camalot
29. Ekapol - Confirmed
30. Ekapol - Confirmed
31. NSR250 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
32. havacs
33. Gareth (with a "G") - Confirmed See #63
34. Racerstev confirmed
35. Erod
36. Nicowalker1
37. donsladek - Confirmed
38. lotusnut
39. Denny - Confirmed - Dark Gray
40. Stryker
41. rogthedodge
42. madbilly - Confirmed - Dark Grey
43. maz_r (second set) - Confirmed
44. madbilly (second set) - Confirmed - Dark Grey
45. Ashm - Confirmed
46. Epipete - (second set) Confirmed - Gray
47. Gary 1958 - Confirmed
48. Lotuselanman - Confirmed
49. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
50. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
51. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
52. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
53. tigerdog - Confirmed - doorcard-matching grey if there's an option
54. tte200 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
55. pjw12 - confirmed - dark gray
56. John_W - Confirmed - grey
57. nyssa7 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
58. daveA - Confirmed - Dark Gray
59. GoM100Go - Confirmed - Dark Gray
60. DaveB - confirmed - grey or gray!
61. RichardK - Confirmed - Gray
62. ESM - Confirmed - Gray
63. Gareth (with a "G") - Confirmed - Second Pair
64. lotusguymichael - Confirmed - Dark Gray
65. lotusguymichael - Confirmed - Dark Gray
66. Ladythorpe2 - Confirmed -Dark Grey
67. JoP - if price is right
68.
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby Brit-Car-Nut » Fri 01.06.2012, 01:22

wayne wrote:Well by the time we all have recieved the new escutcheons I wonder if Geoff will award me with the prize for the longest running "group buy" thread ??

I don't think so. Bob will hold that honour for a long time.
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby dapinky » Fri 01.06.2012, 14:10

Cracking work, Wayne!

As stated above, I for (another?) one am not going to complain about the colour being half a millishade out - it's a heck of a lot better than anyone on here could have hoped for, and in your pics it looks good.

Thumbs up from me :D
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby inkitin » Fri 01.06.2012, 18:37

I have to agree with all that's been said above. Go ahead with where we are now because where we are now, compared to where we were, is excellent.

Wayne has done a great job on this and, to be fair, so has the company helping him. The last thing we would want to do is lose this company by being over pernickety!
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby G UK » Fri 01.06.2012, 20:03

One of mine is broken so I need replacements and I almost missed this, serve me right for not following the forum much the last few months. :bonk:

1. Wayne - Confirmed
2. superbad - Confirmed
3. DeanG - Confirmed - Gray
4. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
5. Brit-Car-Nut - Confirmed
6. ex-exige - CONFIRMED (if they're £20-25, I'll take two pairs)
7. smudge - Confirmed
8. Geoff - Confirmed - Dark Grey
9. Lansledj - Confirmed
10. maz_r - Confirmed
11. inkitin - Confirmed - grey to match the door card
12. Dunnlor - Confirmed
13. rip - Confirmed
14. rip - Confirmed
15. theelanman - Confirmed
16. Dave Eds
17. Bob
18. Hatters - Confirmed
19. Pinky - Confirmed - grey to match the door card moreso than OE shade.
20. Gazza
21. Paza1
22. Steve M - Confirmed
23. LGM - Confirmed
24. LGM - Confirmed
25. Lotus54 - Confirmed
26. Cliff - Confirmed
27. Epipete - Confirmed - Gray
28. Camalot
29. Ekapol - Confirmed
30. Ekapol - Confirmed
31. NSR250 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
32. havacs
33. Gareth (with a "G") - Confirmed See #63
34. Racerstev confirmed
35. Erod
36. Nicowalker1
37. donsladek - Confirmed
38. lotusnut
39. Denny - Confirmed - Dark Gray
40. Stryker
41. rogthedodge
42. madbilly - Confirmed - Dark Grey
43. maz_r (second set) - Confirmed
44. madbilly (second set) - Confirmed - Dark Grey
45. Ashm - Confirmed
46. Epipete - (second set) Confirmed - Gray
47. Gary 1958 - Confirmed
48. Lotuselanman - Confirmed
49. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
50. Alan e - Confirmed - Dark Gray
51. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
52. ecb056 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
53. tigerdog - Confirmed - doorcard-matching grey if there's an option
54. tte200 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
55. pjw12 - confirmed - dark gray
56. John_W - Confirmed - grey
57. nyssa7 - Confirmed - Dark Gray
58. daveA - Confirmed - Dark Gray
59. GoM100Go - Confirmed - Dark Gray
60. DaveB - confirmed - grey or gray!
61. RichardK - Confirmed - Gray
62. ESM - Confirmed - Gray
63. Gareth (with a "G") - Confirmed - Second Pair
64. lotusguymichael - Confirmed - Dark Gray
65. lotusguymichael - Confirmed - Dark Gray
66. Ladythorpe2 - Confirmed -Dark Grey
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Re: New door handle escutcheons

Postby John_W » Fri 01.06.2012, 20:41

wayne wrote:Not sure if I should send the Kia part back to see if they can do a better match or live with what we have. I know they have already gone through a great deal of extra effort to get this far.
I know it is not "perfect" but I am starting to wonder if it's the best they can do.

Any advice greatly appreciated

Wayne,
Looks great as is - go for it.

Well done to you for getting this project sorted.

John
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