ALL CARS ON EBAY.

[simonbuk]

One of the rare sought after NA's - apparantly.

'1,588cc pure Isuzu muscle behind carbon fibre.' The only thing true in that statement is the capacity i think ??!!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-Lotus-E ... Sw9gRZ~1UB

[John_W]

One of the rare sought after NA's - apparantly.

'1,588cc pure Isuzu muscle behind carbon fibre.' The only thing true in that statement is the capacity i think ??!!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-Lotus-E ... Sw9gRZ~1UB

Strange advert in many ways. Not a lot of info, but “£12,000. Please don't contact until you pay. It wouldn't be appreciated.” So we shouldn’t ask how much of it is cf, whether the delaminating windscreen is being replaced, what the mileage is, what Capital Gains Tax has to do with it, or why the top of the advert says it’s £12,500, not £12,000.
Wazzock.

[Fredjohn]

Just asked seller of above vehicle some questions!! Will report back if I get a reply.

Only positive thing is PNM are a reputable company, so any work done should be good.

[lotusflasherman]

Just asked seller of above vehicle some questions!! Will report back if I get a reply.

Only positive thing is PNM are a reputable company, so any work done should be good.

Really? I wouldn't assume that. Have you looked at the MOT History? If they had it "for 3 years 6 months" and it then it got this when submitted for MOT, that beggars belief...
Date tested 11 October 2017
FAIL
Mileage 71,983 miles
MOT test number 1158 5392 9645
Test location
LOWRY AND WILLIAMS GARAGE SERVICES
UNIT 3
NEW WAY BUSINESS CENTRE
WALLASEY
CH44 7HT
Reason(s) for failure
Windscreen has damage to the swept area in excess of a 40mm circle outside zone 'A' (8.3.1d)
Offside Obligatory mirror insecure (8.1.1)
Hazard warning switch insecure (1.4.B.1d)
Nearside Headlamp aim beam image obviously incorrect dipped beam (1.8.A.1b)
Nearside Electrical wiring insecure footwell area (1.9.2a)
Offside Electrical wiring insecure footwell area (1.9.2a)
Offside Electrical wiring damaged and bare wires exposed footwell area (1.9.2c)
Offside Electrical wiring inadequately supported steering column area (1.9.2a)
Nearside Front Electrical wiring inadequately supported wheel arch area (1.9.2a)
Offside Front Electrical wiring inadequately supported wheel arch area (1.9.2a)
Offside Track rod end ball joint dust cover excessively deteriorated so that it no longer prevents the ingress of dirt (2.2.C.1c)
Offside Front Brake hose has insufficient room to move, resulting in fouling on any part (3.6.B.4a)
Nearside front brake binding (3.7.B.1)
Offside front brake binding (3.7.B.1)
Nearside rear brake recording little or no effort (3.7.B.5a)
Offside rear brake recording little or no effort (3.7.B.5a)
Offside rear brake binding (3.7.B.1)
Offside rear parking brake recording little or no effort (3.7.B.6a)
Offside Front Lower Seat belt anchorage prescribed area is fractured (5.2.6)
Exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content excessive (7.3.B.1a)
Service brake: efficiency below requirements (3.7.B.7)
Parking brake: efficiency below requirements (3.7.B.7)
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside non obligatory mirror , unable to adjust from drivers position
Offside Track rod end ball joint has slight play (2.2.B.1f)
Offside Play in steering rack inner joint(s) ()
Nearside Front tyre has minor damage to outer sidewall
Offside Front tyre has minor damage to outer sidewall
Nearside Rear tyre has minor damage to outer sidewall
Nearside Rear wheel bearing has slight play (2.6.2)
Offside Rear wheel bearing has slight play (2.6.2)

However, so much of the ebay advert is bullshit I wouldn't be surprised if the PNM bit isn't as well.

[Dave Eds]

"Presently being re-commissoned for every day road use after 3 years 6 months in Lotus' PNM engineering garage."

I read (past tense) as

"Presently being re-commissoned for every day road use, after 3 years 6 months sitting doing nothing in Lotus' PNM engineering garage.

Although "being" probably meaning "wishing"

[DaveT]

Wallasey- posh scousers. Wouldnt trust them. Yes, I can say that. Cos I'm from there.

Probably been used for a couple of ram raids and then sat on a street or used by the crims before being badly reassmbled.

Might offer £500

D

[DaveT]

Have a look on google earth- L&W is probably where it has been sat for a few years.

[Fredjohn]

Just asked seller of above vehicle some questions!! Will report back if I get a reply.

Only positive thing is PNM are a reputable company, so any work done should be good.

I also read it in the past tense, ie it has been sitting for whatever long time (with no work done) but is now being worked on.

However, his reply to my questions as follows:

Quote : 1. call pnm and ask to speak to Pete. 2. lots.yiu could Google that.thanks. : Unquote

So it would appear work is being done(!!) if as buyer I can ring up and find out!!!! and the car is built with lots of carbon fibre!!!!!

I have googled it and cannot find any reference in the construction to carbon fibre (surprise surprise!!!!)

Nothing like a helpfull seller: he'll never get £12 never mind £12,000 with that response.

Feel sorry for PNM who I still believe are a reputable company: hope they get paid for the work they are doing, and if that covers all the MOT fail stuff plus more, it'll cost a penny or three which will probably not be recovered in a realistic sale price.

EDIT ADDED: PNM and L&W are next door to each other on an industrial estate in Wallasey. However seller is based in Warminster : Bath post code

[muley]

I simply don't understand the reference to CGT.

WTF?



Jim

"Cars also have a different tax treatment to traditional investments such as stocks and shares. They don't attract capital gains tax (CGT) if you make a profit on sale, as they are classed as "wasting assets", which have a predicted useful life of less than 50 years - even if they are still going strong after this time."

[DaveT]

Also noted no MOTs between 2007 and 2017!!! and only 100 miles done in that period

[tb10]

The boy is nuts!

Best offer in line with DaveT's offer of £500.00 resulted in this message back:

Message from desikspezi:

Sweet sensation The music that we play Will ease your mind I am a man with a heavy heart And I dare not turn the pages It's a blind faith A cruel waste One bitter taste So I know I need this sweet sensation

WTF?

Right, off to find some carbon fibre in my Elan...........

[simonbuk]

Previously detailed on here by a young driver at the time -

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/lotus-elan-S ... 1438.l2649

[clemo]

The boy is nuts!

Best offer in line with DaveT's offer of £500.00 resulted in this message back:

Message from desikspezi:

Sweet sensation The music that we play Will ease your mind I am a man with a heavy heart And I dare not turn the pages It's a blind faith A cruel waste One bitter taste So I know I need this sweet sensation

WTF?

Right, off to find some carbon fibre in my Elan...........

I think this is from late 80's early 90's electronic group "Shades of Rhythm" - track "sweet sensation" .

[dapinky]

The boy is nuts!

Best offer in line with DaveT's offer of £500.00 resulted in this message back:

Message from desikspezi:

Sweet sensation The music that we play Will ease your mind I am a man with a heavy heart And I dare not turn the pages It's a blind faith A cruel waste One bitter taste So I know I need this sweet sensation

WTF?

Right, off to find some carbon fibre in my Elan...........

I think this is from late 80's early 90's electronic group "Shades of Rhythm" - track "sweet sensation" .

Even when I saw Johns post, I found myself singing along to it, and now can't get it out of my head

[clemo]

The boy is nuts!

Best offer in line with DaveT's offer of £500.00 resulted in this message back:

Message from desikspezi:

Sweet sensation The music that we play Will ease your mind I am a man with a heavy heart And I dare not turn the pages It's a blind faith A cruel waste One bitter taste So I know I need this sweet sensation

WTF?

Right, off to find some carbon fibre in my Elan...........

I think this is from late 80's early 90's electronic group "Shades of Rhythm" - track "sweet sensation" .

Even when I saw Johns post, I found myself singing along to it, and now can't get it out of my head

EDIT ... just singing it to myself ,
its Chase and Status , not shades of rhythm ..

Silly me .

[DaveT]

There isnt an Asda in Warminster either


The challenge is- where is that Asda

[muley]

There isnt an Asda in Warminster either


The challenge is- where is that Asda

Well, the nearest if Frome and it doesn't look like that one.

BTW if I ever buy a car like that from an ebay ad like that, I'll have gone mad. FFS!



Jim

[Dave Eds]

The challenge is- where is that Asda

Easy. It's top left of the picture - on the opposite side of the road to where the double yellow lines are.

[DaveT]

Smart ar5e

[Rambo]

One of the rare sought after NA's - apparantly.

'1,588cc pure Isuzu muscle behind carbon fibre.' The only thing true in that statement is the capacity i think ??!!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-Lotus-E ... Sw9gRZ~1UB

Strange advert in many ways. Not a lot of info, but “£12,000. Please don't contact until you pay. It wouldn't be appreciated.” So we shouldn’t ask how much of it is cf, whether the delaminating windscreen is being replaced, what the mileage is, what Capital Gains Tax has to do with it, or why the top of the advert says it’s £12,500, not £12,000.
Wazzock.

I can think of a more appropriate word John and it also begins with a capital W