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Re: Hoops
by madbilly » Sat 20.06.2020, 11:10
Hi all,
So they're not roll hoops, just cosmetic but require permanent cutting of the car structure? Can someone please give more info like a basic drawing?
I thought I remembered that there are some M100s with actual roll hoops, which are they? Or have we been misnaming them the whole time?
Cheers
So they're not roll hoops, just cosmetic but require permanent cutting of the car structure? Can someone please give more info like a basic drawing?
I thought I remembered that there are some M100s with actual roll hoops, which are they? Or have we been misnaming them the whole time?
Cheers
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Re: Hoops
by dapinky » Sat 20.06.2020, 12:14
Billy,
Ah, therin lies the problem.....
.... many people have taken to calling them 'roll hoops' over the years - BUT - to be considered to be 'Rollover protection structures' (by definition) they have to be submitted for testing by a recognised authority (TUV, BS etc) and pass the standards required....
.... as such testing would be both expensive and destructive to a number of cars, it was never done.
As such, we CANNOT call them 'roll hoops' as there is always the possibility that someone somewhere will wish to pursue actions through Courts for an unintended consequence, and someone is looking for blame!
However, the hoops designed by Marie (LGM) many years ago (and which I have on my car) are well engineered and solid - they will never be tested (hopefully!) for roll protection, but if I didn't believe that they would help in in the event of such an incident I wouldn't have them!
The hoops which this thread concerns were designed and built by Simon (Kutching) for the Elan - he has extensive experience in design and build of safety systems for WRC teams (who can easily afford to get them tested and approved)..... and they were built to the same recognised standards, using the same materials.......
...... but they have never been 'tested'..... and so can't be sold as 'Protection' bars.
As far as I know, the only bar ever to be tested/approved (for the Federal market) was the Autoeurope bar which was made in USA many years ago - and that one wouldn't pass UK/EU testing for approval. (But I may well be wrong!).
Ah, therin lies the problem.....
.... many people have taken to calling them 'roll hoops' over the years - BUT - to be considered to be 'Rollover protection structures' (by definition) they have to be submitted for testing by a recognised authority (TUV, BS etc) and pass the standards required....
.... as such testing would be both expensive and destructive to a number of cars, it was never done.
As such, we CANNOT call them 'roll hoops' as there is always the possibility that someone somewhere will wish to pursue actions through Courts for an unintended consequence, and someone is looking for blame!
However, the hoops designed by Marie (LGM) many years ago (and which I have on my car) are well engineered and solid - they will never be tested (hopefully!) for roll protection, but if I didn't believe that they would help in in the event of such an incident I wouldn't have them!
The hoops which this thread concerns were designed and built by Simon (Kutching) for the Elan - he has extensive experience in design and build of safety systems for WRC teams (who can easily afford to get them tested and approved)..... and they were built to the same recognised standards, using the same materials.......
...... but they have never been 'tested'..... and so can't be sold as 'Protection' bars.
As far as I know, the only bar ever to be tested/approved (for the Federal market) was the Autoeurope bar which was made in USA many years ago - and that one wouldn't pass UK/EU testing for approval. (But I may well be wrong!).
Dave
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Re: Hoops
by madbilly » Sat 20.06.2020, 13:39
Hi Dave,
Thanks for clarifying. I think the first time I saw hoops on an M100 was on your red one and I think you told me you'd once seen a photo of an Elan upside down and that's what made you get them! ... maybe I'm misremembering.
Anyway, they're hoops, which may be good enough to be roll hoops but they've not been tested. Much clearer for me now. In my nuclear safety case terms - they probably would be useful in an accident but we can't claim them as they've not been qualified therefore we have to assume they're entirely cosmetic and will provide no protection at all.
And who wants to risk being upside down, hoops or not
Cheers
Thanks for clarifying. I think the first time I saw hoops on an M100 was on your red one and I think you told me you'd once seen a photo of an Elan upside down and that's what made you get them! ... maybe I'm misremembering.
Anyway, they're hoops, which may be good enough to be roll hoops but they've not been tested. Much clearer for me now. In my nuclear safety case terms - they probably would be useful in an accident but we can't claim them as they've not been qualified therefore we have to assume they're entirely cosmetic and will provide no protection at all.
And who wants to risk being upside down, hoops or not
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Re: Hoops
by dapinky » Sat 20.06.2020, 14:35
Yep, that's pretty much it!
And yes, I had them in the red one, and this one - and wouldn't be without them....... whatever happens, they are far more solid than my head rubbing against the tarmac!
(basically, as they have not been tested they should not be considered anymore than a cosmetic addition. )
And yes, I had them in the red one, and this one - and wouldn't be without them....... whatever happens, they are far more solid than my head rubbing against the tarmac!
(basically, as they have not been tested they should not be considered anymore than a cosmetic addition.
)Dave
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...oh, and a 2006 Freelander destined for the jungles of The Gambia - 4500 miles across roads, desert and tracks - what could possibly go wrong?
Just the one now, but this one's mine! - and it will be finished eventually..... - but also temporary custodian of a project until it is finished enough for Angie to drive it
...oh, and a 2006 Freelander destined for the jungles of The Gambia - 4500 miles across roads, desert and tracks - what could possibly go wrong?
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Re: Hoops
by lotusYYY » Wed 15.07.2020, 12:09
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Re: Hoops
by mattdovey » Sat 01.08.2020, 21:42
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Re: Hoops
by Alan M » Mon 24.08.2020, 15:23
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Re: Hoops
by Exbury » Sun 11.10.2020, 00:13
Wow, I logged in over 8 years ago....time flies. I can vouch for Simon's hoops, very well made, think I could lift the car by one hoop. I was one of a few of the original buys and Simon fitted it too. Must get mine back on the road.....its been too long. If anyone needs I may be able to help.
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Re: Hoops
by HJ2 » Thu 22.10.2020, 15:09
If it's still off the road... How about I take over your set of hoops & rear deck? 
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Re: Hoops
by shirt » Sun 01.11.2020, 01:50
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interested. given the long gestation period, may i suggest getting in touch with these guys:
https://www.cagedlaser.co.uk/capabilities
no affiliation from me. they're a young company so may be open to this as a project on LEC's behalf, but are also a high quality outfit which fits with simon's ethos. [btw will it be t45 steel or the option to have this?]
regarding the GRP parts, a friend of mine produces lots of things in grp and carbon, from racing yachts to the bodies/components of these cars - https://www.jannarelly.com/
if it would help move things along i could enquire into the production costs for these parts. he wouldn't even need the moulds, just the 3D model so he can CNC new ones.
also willing to use my spare chassis as a guinea pig for the template.
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interested. given the long gestation period, may i suggest getting in touch with these guys:
https://www.cagedlaser.co.uk/capabilities
no affiliation from me. they're a young company so may be open to this as a project on LEC's behalf, but are also a high quality outfit which fits with simon's ethos. [btw will it be t45 steel or the option to have this?]
regarding the GRP parts, a friend of mine produces lots of things in grp and carbon, from racing yachts to the bodies/components of these cars - https://www.jannarelly.com/
if it would help move things along i could enquire into the production costs for these parts. he wouldn't even need the moulds, just the 3D model so he can CNC new ones.
also willing to use my spare chassis as a guinea pig for the template.
if everything is under control, you're not going fast enough
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Re: Hoops
by risingson » Fri 12.02.2021, 01:54
Just exchanged some words on the facebook page with Lotus Girl Marie who made the LGM ones. I'm definitely adding my name to this list.
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Re: Hoops
by 378S2 » Tue 11.05.2021, 05:15
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Re: Hoops
by DavidS2 » Mon 20.09.2021, 02:30
Great initiative! I’ll add to the list please.. thanks David
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10. Kathryn
11. Donsladek
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10. Kathryn
11. Donsladek
12. Fetnas
13. Burble61
14. Pegsyno1
15. Enright
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28. Robert Verhey
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31. Madbilly
32. Elanik
33. Stefan_A
34. Lotusyyy
35. mattdovey
36. Alan M
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38. risingson
39. 378S2 (George)
40. DavidS2
Cheers .. David
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Re: Hoops
by 62dave » Mon 20.09.2021, 14:20
Me too please!
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12. Fetnas
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Re: Hoops
by FunElan » Mon 20.09.2021, 18:09
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6. lotustonybassplayer
7. Woody
8. lotusles
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Re: Hoops
by Grosbard » Sun 12.12.2021, 04:17
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2. Clemo
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8. lotusles
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