Brake master cylinder

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Brake master cylinder

Postby ESM » Mon 07.03.2005, 22:39

I think its AC Delco part no xxx-xxx (standard) or xxxxxx (durastop). <br><br>

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Re: Brake master cylinder

Postby Sy V » Mon 07.03.2005, 22:43

Aah<br><br>Based on the fact that...?
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Re: Brake master cylinder

Postby ESM » Mon 07.03.2005, 23:25

It looks the same, its got the same piston size and, like the calipers, it comes from the Pontiac LeMans GSE.<br><br>Image
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Re: Brake master cylinder

Postby Doug » Tue 08.03.2005, 02:28

if someone sent an email to Lotus HQ to inquire about this, would they answer and confirm it ? ? ?  ::)
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Re: Brake master cylinder

Postby Sy V » Tue 08.03.2005, 06:29

I was hoping you were going to say that you had received a replacement Alan...
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Re: Brake master cylinder

Postby ESM » Tue 08.03.2005, 08:24

I'm 95% sure its the right part number. I've also come across a fixture compatible part with a 24mm piston (stock is 22.22mm) that might be of interest to the people with big brake upgrades. Its a xxx-xxx (standard) xxMxxx (Durastop).

I've asked Chris Foulds about price of the 22.2mm piston part but I'm not optimistic that it'll be cheap. The one US web site that had a compatible Delco part (a Durastop) was listing it for more than $300... The Delco site lists the Le Mans as the only car this was fitted to so its probably not the most common bit around, unless it found an application in a European car that we haven't established yet. I did find a site that listed an equivalent from an aftermarket source for $80 but I rather stick to the original manufacturer.

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Re: Brake master cylinder

Postby lotuska » Wed 09.03.2005, 20:12

Can confirm that the brake master cylinder is made by AC Delco as I replaced mine a couple of years ago. Got it from a vauxhaul dealer part number 3492616, hope that helps.
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Re: Brake master cylinder

Postby Sy V » Wed 09.03.2005, 20:16

Do you happen to remember roughly what you paid for it please?<br><br>http://www.lpr.it/idraulicaorg.asp?org=3492616<br><br>Italian, but appears to fit a GM Opel car.<br><br>English version<br><br>http://www.lpr.it/eng/idraulicaorg.asp?org=3492616<br><br>With an LPR equivalent part...
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Re: Brake master cylinder

Postby lotuska » Wed 09.03.2005, 20:38

From memory I think it was about the £100 mark (it was at least 4 years ago), which even then was significantly less than Lotus wanted (a friendly part manger also gave it to me at trade), I remember passing the details onto PMatty.<br><br>And looking at what you've found I do remember that there were differences between the ABS and non-ABS version fitted to the Vectra and it definitely was from the 2.0L version. I think the other types had different mountings.<br><br>I also remember that there were a series of numbers stamped into the cylinder which were only easiyl visible when removed from the car. Again I think they were on the top under the reservior.
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Postby BigErch » Thu 28.07.2005, 07:34

Just replaced my master cylinder - what a difference! I now have brakes :D

I tried the Vauxhall number above but the dealers wanted £160 + vat.
My local motor factor cross referenced this number with LUCAS parts and came up with "PMH 392". Cost £100 + vat and fits perfectly. You have to use your old reservoir.

Hope this helps, Arch
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Postby Sy V » Thu 28.07.2005, 08:37

Great work Arch.

Can you outline the improvements against your old unit please?

I note your "I now have brakes" statement, but what are the improved symptoms?
Pedal feel?
Pedal travel?
Braking efficiency?
Bleedability (good made up word!) :P
Wheels lockability even?
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Postby Monty » Thu 28.07.2005, 09:00

Thats great, at least thats another part we don`t have to rely on Lotus for LOL.

Since my front brake upgrade, i`ve got a soft pedal (the brakes work great) still needs another bleed. But wonder if changing the master cylinder will be the next step some time in the future.

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was it a big job to fit?
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Postby BigErch » Thu 28.07.2005, 09:17

Sy V wrote:Great work Arch.

Can you outline the improvements against your old unit please?

I note your "I now have brakes" statement, but what are the improved symptoms?
Pedal feel?
Pedal travel?
Braking efficiency?
Bleedability (good made up word!) :P
Wheels lockability even?


Hi Sy,

Ever since I got the car the brake pedal has been uninspiring.
The Pedal was always nearly to the floor before starting to firm up (still slightly spongey tho). Even then the braking performance was poor and sometimes frightening :shock: . Bleeding the system helped but only in the short term.
Firstly I overhauled the existing calipers but that didn't help much. Then I fitted a HiSpec kit and the pedal travel became worse (more volume in the 4 pots i guess). Finally I've replaced the master cylinder. The old one looked like it had a small leak at the union with the servo which probably didn't help. I'd never spotted the fluid level droping but maybe air and moisture was getting in.
The pedal travel is perfect now and progressively firms up nicely. I haven't locked the wheels yet but I'm sure i could.
I've always compared my brakes to Stevos Missy and finally they are nearly on a par. I think the difference is his 285 discs compared with my 275 which fit behind my little wheels. Sometimes size is everything but I'm very happy with what I've got :lol:

cheers, Arch
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Postby Sy V » Thu 28.07.2005, 09:25

Exactly what I wanted to hear mate, thanks, great.

Now on to Jay's question...was the fitting particularly arduous?

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Postby BigErch » Thu 28.07.2005, 09:28

Monty wrote:was it a big job to fit?


Hi Monty,

It's one of these jobs that require small dexterous hands.
I unfortunately have not been gifted with such appendages so I had to employ a small mechanic friend to do the job. It took him and hour to get the old one out and he said it wasn't easy.

If your suspicious of the pedal throw or the softness of the brakes then it's well worth replacing this component. I can't believe I've put up with crap brakes for nearly a whole year.

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Postby lotuska » Thu 28.07.2005, 18:06

Again from memory access to the brake master cylinder is much easier through the wheel arch, take the liner out and you shoud then be able to see the master cylinder and all bolts. :wink:
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Postby ESM » Fri 29.07.2005, 12:33

Sy's Italian site pretty much sorted out all the part numbers and applications

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I reckon we now need to find a reasonably priced compatible part with a bigger piston.

With regard to replacing it, access isn't too bad when the power steering reservoir is removed. Be careful where fluid goes during removal, I think I lost an alternator because fluid got into it during a master cylinder change.
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Postby kmckmc » Thu 14.09.2006, 04:40

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/catalog ... ttype=1836

This place has Durastop Master Brake Cylinder at around 250usd
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Postby surfboardfiller » Fri 22.06.2007, 15:15

I am despirately trying to find a replacement Cylider and pipe, I gave the supplier the part numbers for the Lucas but he said there should be a number stamped on the cylinder.

Does any one have this number or tell me exactly where to find it please.

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Postby GeoffSmith » Fri 22.06.2007, 15:23

WillB's flogging one on FleaBay.
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