Please help! Refusal of MOT

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Postby Monty » Thu 26.06.2008, 23:41

miss_elan wrote:A bloke (not the tester - he was "unavailable") sat in and dry steered and said its "heavy".


Well if he`s testing the steering whilst the engine isn`t running and the car is on the ground he wasn`t :smt067 as this can damage the power steering and the daft twit should know this :roll:

Fix the bulb and take the car back for it`s re-test and tell them you`ve took the car to the lotus dealer and they said that is normal for the Elan.

My M100 steering is heaver than normal but it still passes it`s MOT, saying that it`s due next month and now it`ll end up failing lol.
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Postby rip » Fri 27.06.2008, 11:19

I agree with all the above comments about the steering. It is designed for feel not lightness. None of us can really say for certain without feeling it for ourselves except.....
miss_elan wrote:2. Steering system excessively tight. But they had no idea what i could do about that!

If they had no idea what is wrong, then how do they know something is wrong? Sounds like they have never experienced a car with well-powered PAS before. IMO, most family cars have steering which is far too light & would be dengerous in the M100.
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Postby chrisP » Fri 27.06.2008, 12:08

Where in Hertfordshire are you? I take mine to a place in Broxbourne and have been for the last 8 years so they have some idea about Elans. Drop me a line if your close to that area and I'll give you the details.

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Postby dapinky » Fri 27.06.2008, 12:21

Firstly, let me say that i commiserate as i have had similar experiences, but not with a steering issue.

The headlamp is a simple(ish) job, but my experience is that it is quicker to remove the light pod from the pivot bracket unless you have thin dextrous fingers (which i aint!).
But like many others, i think the garage *could* have offered to do it for you FOC.

As for the steering, if they 'apprentice' is the one operating the controlls, it is not his decision to pass or fail the component. By all means, he can assist the tester in this way, but if he says it is not good enough, the qualified tester should have a look, as it is his name on the failure ticket.

Like others, i would suggest taking it elsewhere (not necessarily a garage, perhaps a local LEC member who knows what they're on about (Spud :poke: ) and get a second opinion.

If it is okay (or at least, no different than any other) then you have 2 options - either take it back to the garage and speak to the qualified tester who failed it (with a written report, perhaps?) or take it to another test centre and see what happens.

Alternatively, if you are totaly confident that they got it wrong, and should have issued a test certificate (either by it passing elsewhere, or an 'expert' saying it is okay as it is), then you can appeal the decision to issue the failure notice.

For that you need to phone 0870 6040440 - full details are on the back of the VT30 notice - Refusal of an MOT Certificate notice - at paragraph (6).

This isn't always a quick option, but it does mean that the garage that wrongly issue a failure notice get dealt with.

Perhaps the quickest way to get it sorted is to pop into a different garage and ask the MOT tester there for his opinion on the steering - it'll take a couple of minutes and shouldn't cost anything - if he says it's okay, either get them to do a full test, or consider an appeal.
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Postby Dave Eds » Fri 27.06.2008, 17:24

dapinky wrote: (Spud :poke: )


Has the Pinkpoker not read the whole thread? :?

Toni is bringing the car to mine this evening for an "expert" opinion (but she'll only get my opinion :D ) and to fix the headlamp.

chrisP wrote: I take mine to a place in Broxbourne


PM me the details Chris, Broxbourne being where I was brung up and where my Mother still lives.
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Postby GeoffSmith » Fri 27.06.2008, 19:44

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Postby Dave Eds » Fri 27.06.2008, 21:43

Good news is ....... new bulb - headlamp fixed :wink:

Not so good news is..........pop-up motors playing silly buggers - up and down delay when it's ready but not exactly when it should.

Steering - not particularly heavy but turns in phases rather than smoothly. No real idea why other than maybe worn or partly seized parts. Suggested a Lotus Specialist needs to give some advice as to what it could be. A call will be made to Gerald in the morning.
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Postby GeoffSmith » Fri 27.06.2008, 21:52

Could be the UJ at the bottom of the column. Landrover?
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Postby Dave Eds » Fri 27.06.2008, 21:55

GeoffSmith wrote:Could be the UJ at the bottom of the column. Landrover?


Was one of my suggestions to Toni and Richard :-D

But to be honest there are some other things that will need doing as well before too long, so a once over by GST would be a good investment in the longer term ( tyres, service, brake overhaul etc).

Nice car, 80k and with the right TLC will go on for a few more miles yet :D
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Postby miss_elan » Fri 27.06.2008, 22:16

Woohoo!

I have working headlights :-D They are working fine now :D Well I played with them, up, down, up, down and didn't delay at allonce I got home :? or :D ?

Thanks Dave :-D If it happens again I'll call you so you can get some more practise in :lol:

Will get Larry looked at soon so his steering and 'bits' get sorted.
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Postby Dave Eds » Fri 27.06.2008, 22:29

Always a pleasure to help out any Elan owner where I can. :wink:

Been a good day too for me - no work, messing around with the photoshoot, pub lunch with the Surfdude, and 4 Elans on the drive :D
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Postby rip » Sat 28.06.2008, 08:30

Dave Eds wrote: a once over by GST would be a good investment in the longer term ( tyres, service, brake overhaul etc).


:agree:
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Postby chris.t » Sat 28.06.2008, 09:04

re steering could be air in the system. Take top off header and work the steering lock to lock and see if there are any air bubbles comig thru in the header. Had this on mine and this cleared it.

PS advise doing the lock to lock on grass or similar to be a little mechanically sympathetic on the steering
Could the 'Hokey-Cokey' actually be what it's all about?
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