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An Elan with a dog

Postby lotusles » Sun 23.05.2021, 20:10

Just discovered that if you drive with a dog that is not secured you could get fined £150, so my question, two up in a M100 and the dog in the footwell is no longer allowed!!!!

Any ideas or opinions?

Reason: was hoping to use the Elan to go to car shows etc but with the pooch.

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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby GeoffSmith » Sun 23.05.2021, 21:08

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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby dapinky » Sun 23.05.2021, 22:07

If it were me, I'd simply do as you always have, with the dog on the floor (passenger side :D ), and loop the lead through the passenger seatbelt.

Dog is officially 'restrained' and unable to interfere with the driving of the car, and unable to hop out as you stop at the traffic lights.
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby Rambo » Mon 24.05.2021, 18:04

lotusles wrote:Just discovered that if you drive with a dog that is not secured you could get fined £150, so my question, two up in a M100 and the dog in the footwell is no longer allowed!!!!

Any ideas or opinions?

Reason: was hoping to use the Elan to go to car shows etc but with the pooch.

Jonathon, expert input if you can

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Actually, most people don't know that it is illegal but I'm surprised you didn't know Les, what with being in the insurance industry

My dog comes with me in the M100 (or my van) He sits in the front seat and is always securely shackled using the technique as described by Dave above. I use a large plastic dog basket with plenty of vet fleece to make him comfortable. He loves watching the world go by and the smells when the top is down. The longest journey he has made in the Elan is 700 miles return trip from Edinburgh to Hereford

I'd suggest putting a box in the floorwell to support the dog basket then adjusting the seat rake so that it is wedged between the seat back and the glovebox

Give it a go. Your pooch will love it. :wink:
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby MPx » Mon 24.05.2021, 18:58

lotusles wrote:Reason: was hoping to use the Elan to go to car shows etc but with the pooch.


I'm sure people will know this already, but just to remind - dogs are not allowed at any of the circuits that I've ever been to ... so don't get tempted to bring one to Castle Combe.
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby Rambo » Tue 25.05.2021, 06:00

Correct Mike. Any animal at a motorsport event is a complete no no. But I think Les wants to take his pooch to local car shows where they usually tolerate "well behaved" dogs

I actually won a rosette at our last local car show for "best 90's" car. And another for "best car and dog" Jock was well chuffed :wink:
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby Saltire » Tue 25.05.2021, 08:45

lotusles wrote:Just discovered that if you drive with a dog that is not secured you could get fined £150, so my question, two up in a M100 and the dog in the footwell is no longer allowed!!!!

Any ideas or opinions?

Reason: was hoping to use the Elan to go to car shows etc but with the pooch.

Jonathon, expert input if you can

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Late to the party, Les, sorry. There’s no specific offence of “loose dog”, although, as has been said, what’s in the Highway Code would be a factor in any case resulting in accident or injury. I guess it might also be considered an insecure load if not restrained.

I’ve carried my dog in several cars, either in the rear (SUV) with a dog guard, or on a seat with suitable restraint (I’d not put him in the front of the Volvo, as it has multiple airbags). I also had him in the passenger footwell of the Lotus when I had the seat out, but that doesn’t help your situation.

Purely as a personal opinion, I suspect that unless there was another serious offence, such as has been discussed, the constabulary would be unlikely to take any action. “Words of advice” might be given though. If they tried to enforce such a rule here in Wiltshire/Gloucestershire, it would keep both forces fully occupied 24/7 stopping Range Rovers and Subaru wagons :lol:
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby Rambo » Tue 25.05.2021, 10:13

Just to clarify things, rule 57 of The Highway Code states......

Rule 57
When in a vehicle make sure dogs or other animals are suitably restrained so they cannot distract you while you are driving or injure you, or themselves, if you stop quickly. A seat belt harness, pet carrier, dog cage or dog guard are ways of restraining animals in cars.

Suitably restrained for me is to have the collar on and the lead attached to the seat belt. Obviously there are no air bag issues with the M100 (group buy anyone :lol: 1. Dico) but if you have one in the front seat or side it is essential to turn them off if you are carrying a pet in the front
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby dapinky » Tue 25.05.2021, 11:01

Saltire wrote:...... If they tried to enforce such a rule here in Wiltshire/Gloucestershire, it would keep both forces fully occupied 24/7 stopping Range Rovers and Subaru wagons :lol:


As a bit of context to the discussion, (and I may well be barking up the wrong tree.....{see what I did there?}), many years ago, back when we had a Police force which actually had Traffic Patrol vehicles, and those vehicles were driven by men (and some women!) who were seeking the very highest level of road safety for the benefit of all, I would agree with you.

Whilst now, we have a Police Service (which is actually a business) where the 'bean counters' will send out an automated cash collection operative to see how many tickets can be given away in the shortest possible time.....


.... anyway, to the point of the "rules"..... I don't know when it actually changed, but I suspect that (as with many things), something happened and a clever bloke with only one job, managed to find a loophole to avoid his employer from paying out a few quid, and thus increasing the profits for the shareholders down at the Golf Club.... and he did this by finding an obscure bit of a book and using it to fit the 'facts' of the single situation, and thus leading to a situation where someone else saw a chance of a few quid, so pushed the story for their own agenda, and we now have all these people stating what "must" be done to avoid the wrath of the Old Bill.

Over my years, I cannot think of a single accident I went to where an "unsecured dog" was in any way contributory to the incident (but I'm sure that someone somewhere has had it happen, and made/saved a few quid.....)

But

I have been to accidents where a dog has made an escape from a vehicle (moving or stationary.... sometimes after an accident, sometimes not) and run off into the traffic stream and caused further anguish to themselves, their owners, and other motorists.

To me, it just seems "Common Sense" to have a dog loosely secured to prevent them running off, but not necessarily locked in a crate...... obviously, sometimes 'locked in a crate' is the right approach, but not necessary to comply with the law.

In my T5 van the dogs just sit on the back seat looking out the window, whilst a short lead plugs into the seatbelt socket, and attaches to their harnesses. In effect they can move about as much as they wish, but cant get to the driver, and can't run away - job done...... but in a 2-seater, not quite so straightforward. The dogs love going out in the topless car though.
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby Rambo » Tue 25.05.2021, 11:08

I like topless too :wink:
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby GeoffSmith » Tue 25.05.2021, 12:06

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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby Simon_P » Tue 25.05.2021, 12:33

Rambo wrote:Just to clarify things, rule 57 of The Highway Code states......
Unfortunately the highway code is best practice rather than law. Few of the rules relate to a specific offence.
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby Rambo » Tue 25.05.2021, 13:49

I know its not considered fully legal Simon but best practice, Some of the code is however backed up by traffic laws

The restraining of a dog as per rule 57 does make sense however, on the grounds of safety for the dog, the driver and other road users

Incidentally, did you know that it wasn't considered an offence to not use your travel indicators. If that isn't legal, then it therefore must be construed as being legal. Over to you Mr Devizes magistrate and former PC Pinky Plod :wink:
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby Simon_P » Tue 25.05.2021, 15:10

Rambo, when my neighbour decided to use the bus stop as his own personal parking space I thought Rule 243 “Do not stop or park at or near a bus or tram stop" would apply, and when they also parked in the bus stop within 10 meters of a road junction, facing against the flow of traffic and on a bend, I thought Rules 239 and 243 would also apply. But our part time community support officer informed me that they are advisory, so I have to watch the school bus stop on the hatchings(rule 130) in the middle of the road on a bend within 10 meters of a road junction. Hopefully there will not be an incident that actually requires the police to attend.

Our police force is on its knees and the country has gone to the dogs!

MPx wrote: dogs are not allowed at any of the circuits that I've ever been to ... so don't get tempted to bring one to Castle Combe.
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby Rambo » Tue 25.05.2021, 18:23

Totally agree. This country has gone mad. And its got worse since Covid. I think they will have to rename us the UKN (United Kingdom of Numpties)

However, if you think the police force in England is bad, come north to the socialist state of Scotland and experience Polis Scotland. It's a complete and utter joke. Back in the day when I played hockey for Lothian and Borders Police I was proud to be associated with all those fine uniformed men and women, plain clothes, drug and fraud officers

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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby dapinky » Tue 25.05.2021, 19:57

We are blessed in The Socialist Republic of Cymru, we still actually have quite a few Police Stations which are open, and quite often see Heddlu walking the streets...

.... but overall, I'm glad to be well out of it.
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby Rambo » Tue 25.05.2021, 21:48

dapinky wrote:We are blessed in The Socialist Republic of Cymru, we still actually have quite a few Police Stations which are open, and quite often see Heddlu walking the streets...

.... but overall, I'm glad to be well out of it.


I bet you are Dave. Who'd want to be a copper or teacher these days. It's a changed world. For the worse unfortunately :?
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Re: An Elan with a dog

Postby scotlan » Sun 06.06.2021, 13:26

Sorry! Just couldn't help posting this on topic "An Elan with Dog", she's in a seat belt and harness.

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