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CAS O-ring

Postby Giniw » Fri 09.08.2019, 02:53

Hello Everyone,
My engine progressively became rather rather oily, and although it's not that easy to be sure why, my bet is it's just because of the CAS O-ring (clearly the leak is rather high and more on the CAS side so I would be surprised if it was not because of it)
Anyway, as it's very cheap (about 0.50€ if I remember correctly) I had not even checked before I ordered an O-ring seal from SJS at the opportunity of another bigger order.

I was very confident until a few days ago when I randomly read here there are actually two seals, one for the CAS and ... one for the other cam shaft too (blanking plug).
As I didn't really want to order just an O-ring from SJS I checked locally, and as always I couldn't find what I needed so went back online to find a French source.
By the way I measured the one form SJS and it's about 32mm OD, 25mm ID (so a 3.5mm diameter section)

Anyway, I found an online source and that lead me to a choice of material for the seal.
They had three sort of seals in stock:
- NBR (=nitrile), shore 70, about 0.50€ each
- NBR (=nitrile), shore 90, about 0.50€ each
- FPM (fluoro rubber), shore 80 about ... 5.8€ each (!)

From what I have gathered on my readings, both NBR and FPM are suitable for engine oil (and NOT EPDM, but there is no EPDM available in that size anyway ^^), but it appears that while NBR/nitrile is good for any application between about -30°C to +100°C, whereas FPM is good for temperatures ranging from about -20°C to as high as at least 200°C (some extra specialized fluoro rubber formulas withstand almost 300°C apparently)

In the meantime I had removed the CAS and back blanking plug from my engine and I do confirm both seals are totally cooked (I couldn't even remove the blanking plug one without tearing it as it was rather brittle, and it certainly became very stiff to the point it looks almost like rigid plastic when pressing it with a fingernail).

Obviously I have no idea how old are the O-rings on my engine, they could very well be 28 years old, so maybe they just need replacing because of their age, but on the other hand I wouldn't be much surprised that it's because of the oil temperature too, which I reckon is at least 100°C (I read that as a rule of thumb it's about 20-30°C higher than the coolant?).

Anyway, I gather NBR is not really recommended for an engine, so I ordered a pair of FPM O-rings.
15€ including shipping for two seals is a lot, but on the other hand cleaning the engine from beneath with "Essence F" and an old toothbrush is not my favourite hobby either ... :lol: (still, I must admit that in addition to a newly painted sump, it's all very tidy and nice to look at now! 8) )

Any remarks? It's just something I gathered from my readings so I may be wrong :D


PS: by the way, as for the nitrile shores, apparently 70 would be the default choice, whereas 90 would be intended for high pressure in repeated bursts and that sort of things.
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Re: CAS O-ring

Postby GeoffSmith » Fri 09.08.2019, 07:27

Ashm did a group buy of Viton O rings a year or two or ten ago.
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Re: CAS O-ring

Postby RonR » Fri 09.08.2019, 10:29

Before you order please measure the plastic cap which fits into the O-ring, mine was around 23.5mm OD.
I found that a 23mm ID x 4mm C/S Viton O-ring was a better fit, and it hasn't leaked a drop in 2 years.

Edit: It was difficult typing that with fingers crossed!

Edit 2: Just found some 75 Shore on Epay Here, No connection with vendor, etc.
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Re: CAS O-ring

Postby Simon_P » Fri 09.08.2019, 11:11

I'm not sure if Ashm still frequents LEC. If not I have a few hundred of the correct size Viton 'O' rings and I am happy to arrange a "group buy" if someone want to start a list.

Just to add £1 for a pair of orings, each additional 'O' ring 50p plus £1 for the stamp and the envelope.
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Re: CAS O-ring

Postby Rambo » Fri 09.08.2019, 12:10

Ashm was last on here at 40 minutes past midnight this morning. Hasn't posted though for about 19 months though
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Re: CAS O-ring

Postby Rambo » Fri 09.08.2019, 12:12

Hope you have recovered from your accident Ashm and are back to running again ?
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Re: CAS O-ring

Postby Rambo » Fri 09.08.2019, 12:22

Sorry, back on topic again

Simon_P wrote:I'm not sure if Ashm still frequents LEC. If not I have a few hundred of the correct size Viton 'O' rings and I am happy to arrange a "group buy" if someone want to start a list.

Just to add £1 for a pair of orings, each additional 'O' ring 50p plus £1 for the stamp and the envelope.
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Re: CAS O-ring

Postby GeoffSmith » Fri 09.08.2019, 12:23

Rambo wrote:Ashm was last on here at 40 minutes past midnight this morning. Hasn't posted though for about 19 months though

And he's in Chepstow. :shock:
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Re: CAS O-ring

Postby Giniw » Fri 09.08.2019, 14:42

GeoffSmith wrote:Ashm did a group buy of Viton O rings a year or two or ten ago.
Interesting, I see we concluded the same thing ^^

RonR wrote:Before you order please measure the plastic cap which fits into the O-ring, mine was around 23.5mm OD.
I found that a 23mm ID x 4mm C/S Viton O-ring was a better fit, and it hasn't leaked a drop in 2 years.
Indeed now you mention it I noticed the groove diameter was a bit smaller than the internal diameter of the o-ring supplied by SJS, but I thought it was normal ... I actually ordered my o-ring set yesterday so, we'll see if they are oil tight ... I hope!
Edit 2: Just found some 75 Shore on Epay Here, No connection with vendor, etc.
Almost £10 to ship to France, though! ^^'
And I expect to get the seals parcel tomorrow (Saturday) so, that is why I didn't even have a look at the international ebay option ... !

Simon_P wrote:I'm not sure if Ashm still frequents LEC. If not I have a few hundred of the correct size Viton 'O' rings and I am happy to arrange a "group buy" if someone want to start a list.
a few ... hundreds?! :-D

Just to add £1 for a pair of orings, each additional 'O' ring 50p plus £1 for the stamp and the envelope.
This is quite cheap =) :-)
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