porting wastegate advice for newbie?

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porting wastegate advice for newbie?

Postby Timb2117 » Fri 29.11.2024, 08:15

Hello good folk.

So I inherited a large exhaust, lucky me, until I fitted everest (luckily switchable) and got the dreaded overboost symptoms exactly as described by dapinky.

So i will dive in and enlarge wastegate port but this time I will ask BEFORE doing the job (who said old dog etc? :))

Any advice please? plan to gently strip down and bench work with die grinder and polish up afterwards, and obviously clean up to pre dinner plate standard afterwards.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: porting wastegate advice for newbie?

Postby MPx » Fri 29.11.2024, 12:06

The real issue for me was getting things apart, some of the smaller bolts around the turbo heatshield etc. Despite extensive use of plusgas over a two week period I broke two sockets on one particular bolt and "gave up" (one socket was an old Hilka from my student days, but the other was a Halfrauds Professional that was replaced under their lifetime warranty). I arranged a day down at SWLC and Phil allocated Matt (no longer there sadly) to work with me for the day. Needless to say he just put his socket on the bolt and undid it - making me look even more the numpty than they already suspected! Anyway he then did the grinding bit - out to 20 or 21 mm IIRC (making sure no dust/swarf could get anywhere inside) and then we cleaned everything up and put it all back together. And I've never experienced overboost.... Best of luck with it.
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Re: porting wastegate advice for newbie?

Postby dapinky » Fri 29.11.2024, 16:01

Doing the job on the bench is the only practical way to do it.

As Mike says, it isn't a job to start at 0900 in the morning if you want to drive out for lunch - and preferably not if you need it for work next week!

Basically, I did mine as part of a series of other jobs, so it is hard to say how much time each process takes on it's own - so I can "estimate" the best approach, but can't guarantee it.....

If your car is complete, and driveable, then I'd suggest running the engine for a few minutes to heat up the exhaust system bolts - it will make it easier to undo them. Then park, disconnect the battery (Hey, okay, I don't bother usually - but the advice is good).

Undo the exhaust pipe from the downpipe from underneath (3 captive bolts). Then undo the downpipe from the turbo. If you have an O2 sensor, you may want to remove it, or if not, unplug the wiring from the car). In theory, the downpipe should now come out..... but there will be various heat shields, bolts and brackets keeping it in place.... just work your way round undoing things as you see them to be in the way. The idea is to remove the downpipe - but you may want to remove it with the turbo as one piece.

Personally, I'd undo the bottom of the downpipe, then remove the exhaust manifold nuts (and the studs!) from the head..... the idea being to lift the manifold, turbo, downpipe out as a single assembly ..... there will be lots of stuff attached or in the way, but nothing that you can't see and get to - ie, no nasty surprises!

With this assembly on the bench, I'd suggest checking the Turbo bearings - any longitudinal/lateral movement means it could be worth a rebuild (at home, it can cost you about £30 for the bearing/seal parts, and doesn't take too long..... if the wear is too bad, it may need to go to a specialist for a full rebuild and any major parts).

The actual wastegate 'hole' can be got at when it's all stripped down, and should be ~16mm as standard. You need to open it out to 20-21mm. Do not go any bigger as it will risk not shutting correctly, and you'll never get full boost. I sue a 20mm ball grinder and take it slowly, allowing the metal to rest if it all gets too hot. It took me about 30 minutes to do the actual 'cutting', but I'm sure that a proper machine shop could do it in less than 10 minutes.

Then "simply" reverse the procedure to put it back together - make sure the wastegate operates freely and the rod works in a straight line and doesn't twist in action.... also that the activator diaphragm isn't damaged. A length of vacuum hose on the fitting, will allow you to test it with a bike pump, car foot pump, or a strongish set of lungs!
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Re: porting wastegate advice for newbie?

Postby Timb2117 » Fri 29.11.2024, 23:16

Brilliant (again) dapinky and MPX, exactly what I wanted, nope the car is a second car so can stay off road til done and luckily I have time to do it.

Thanks heaps will update thread when done for anyone else in same position, this time I must remember to take photos before working on it. doh.

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Re: porting wastegate advice for newbie?

Postby RonR » Sat 30.11.2024, 11:43

Something more than a few of us have experienced is breaking or stripping the threads of one or more studs, the turbo housing nuts are made in such a way that they do up but are pigs to undo!
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Re: porting wastegate advice for newbie?

Postby Timb2117 » Thu 12.12.2024, 23:12

You weren't kidding about the stripping threads it is as if they used special studs that could only be done up once then would always come out of head before the nut will release....Anyways ported to 20mm and still getting cut off third gear full revs, so going to re do the exercise to the (hopefully) 21mm sweetspot fingers crossed as it is quite an exercise!
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Re: porting wastegate advice for newbie?

Postby Tuga2112 » Mon 16.12.2024, 09:57

have you checked if you have a "hack job" valve vaccumm bleed thingy that stops the wastegate opening. ?

i think its refered as a gastegate bypass valve ?

im afraid i cant describe acurately what im refering to. but if Pinky (or someone who gets me) see this message he/they will most likely know what im refering to, and explain it in a concise manner
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