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Weird fault

Postby nicowalker1 » Thu 08.04.2021, 20:31

Car starts fine, idles fine drives fine. That is until I go over 50%ish throttle, all I get then is a fluttering sound and lack of power. The engine management light doesn’t come on. It isn’t over boost as the wastegate is ported and boost doesn’t get high enough before the power loss.
Turbo seems ok as it boosts fine.
Coil packs are fairly new.

Any idea what to check?
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby alan e » Thu 08.04.2021, 21:03

Have you checked the wastegate to see if it's sticking ?.
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby nicowalker1 » Thu 08.04.2021, 21:13

Thanks for the reply.
I haven’t but wouldn’t that just create overboost?
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby Simon_P » Thu 08.04.2021, 21:14

How many revs? Which gear? Boost?
If you ease off does it pick up again? If you ease off will it keep accelerating?
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby nicowalker1 » Thu 08.04.2021, 21:17

Any gear, any revs. Drives fine the moment I ease off.
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby Dave Eds » Thu 08.04.2021, 22:03

Driver error...

Can't get more weird than you mate. :-D
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby Simon_P » Thu 08.04.2021, 22:38

My first guess would be HT.

You are describing fluttering rather than a misfire. Is it the same as when you hit the rev limiter? To compare disconnect a sensor (this will set a fault code) to put the engine in limp mode which will set the rev limit at 4000 rpm...same effect?
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby HJ2 » Fri 09.04.2021, 09:01

Did you change spark plugs by any chance?
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby nicowalker1 » Fri 09.04.2021, 09:27

I’m considering swapping the plugs and ht leads...
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby nicowalker1 » Fri 09.04.2021, 09:44

Dave Eds wrote:Driver error...

Can't get more weird than you mate. :-D


Cheers Dave, hope you’re well buddy.
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby HJ2 » Fri 09.04.2021, 13:47

nicowalker1 wrote:I’m considering swapping the plugs and ht leads...

Mind your step! ... euh... Gap!
I would start off with a good ole wastegate wiggle indeed.
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby nicowalker1 » Fri 09.04.2021, 14:15

Will do :cheers:
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby alan e » Fri 09.04.2021, 17:31

nicowalker1 wrote:Thanks for the reply.
I haven’t but wouldn’t that just create overboost?


I think TrevorB had the same fault and i turned out to be a sticking wastegate.
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby Jacko » Fri 09.04.2021, 23:36

I recently cleared a similar fault on my “new” SE with wastegate wiggle. Actually, it was well stuck and needed some force to free it.

I took the turbo heat-shield off, so as to see what I was doing, but that wasn’t the easiest of jobs due to limited access. What’s the view of more experienced M100 mechanics? Do you usually free the wastegate with heat-shield in situ, or remove it?
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby Rambo » Sat 10.04.2021, 05:40

Releasing a sticky wastegate - WikiLEC
http://wikilec.com/view/Wastegate:_Releasing
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby nicowalker1 » Tue 13.04.2021, 14:24

I thought I’d tick a few jobs off the list today.
HT leads and plugs changed.
Replaced Cam O-ring seals. Attempted to replace the cam angle bearing, sproket? And pin but I could not shift the existing pin. Hall effect sensor replaced with the kit from PNM, it was a nice easy job, I just had to cut the plug off and rewire the new one.
The good news is the weird flutter at full throttle has now gone. Felt to be lacking power so have reset the timing as it was quite a way out. Hopefully test it again later this aft.

Thank you all for your input.
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby Dave Eds » Tue 13.04.2021, 14:42

nicowalker1 wrote:
Thank you all for your input.



Your welcome! :lol:
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby nicowalker1 » Tue 13.04.2021, 15:10

Dave Eds wrote:
nicowalker1 wrote:
Thank you all for your input.



Your welcome! :lol:


Especially you! :cheers:
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby Rambo » Tue 13.04.2021, 19:50

Dave Eds wrote:
nicowalker1 wrote:
Thank you all for your input.



Your welcome! :lol:


Now sort out your spell check Nick. It's weird not wierd :poke:

Oh, and Spud, your grammar check is buggert (Scottish vernacular) It's you're not your :poke:
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Re: Wierd fault

Postby nicowalker1 » Tue 13.04.2021, 20:45

Rambo wrote:
Dave Eds wrote:
nicowalker1 wrote:
Thank you all for your input.



Your welcome! :lol:


Now sort out your spell check Nick. It's weird not wierd :poke:

Oh, and Spud, your grammar check is buggert (Scottish vernacular) It's you're not your :poke:


No offence intended. It’s tricky typing one handed whilst jugging two kids and also trying to focus on a archaic forum not optimised for mobile on a tiny screen. I rarely check my messages for errors. :cheers: :lol:
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