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New Turbo installation?

Postby F1 LOTUS » Sun 11.03.2007, 08:42

I'm contemplating designing a new Turbo installation and would welcome your thoughts :)
Some of the contributing factors being: -
My Turbo has done more than 140,000 miles.
Exhaust Manifold has several cracks.
Heat Shields are self-destructing.
Desire to 'de-restrict' the turbo exit section.
Reduce under-hood temperatures.
Availability / cost of replacement stock parts.
Would like a more responsive turbo.

My initial thoughts are to replace everything from the cylinder head/exhaust manifold interface through to the 3-bolt flange of the downpipe.
The Turbo [probably a Garrett ball-bearing] should ideally have improved response over stock AND be capable of sustaining the maximum power permitted by the stock (chipped) ECU. I'm figuring that modern insulating coatings will help with response and keep emissions in-check by preserving enough heat in the pipes to allow the main cat to operate efficiently enough to safely eliminate the pre-cat (for track use only :wink: ) The exhaust manifold would probably be a compact cast iron design that would allow a wide choice of turbo's to be fitted?
First task will be, to reverse-engineer the stock assembly so I have the 'packaging envelope'; for this I'm hoping to call-in a 3D laser-scanning favour... 8) ... :smt033 ... :( ... :smt102
Thoughts? :D
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Postby Dico » Sun 11.03.2007, 20:59

It all sounds good, can't help with any technical info though.

Count me in on the group buy :P
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Postby algirdas » Mon 12.03.2007, 06:17

Dear Brian:

Within reasonable limits, put me down for whatever you come up with. If the quality is anything close to your brake parts-I'm in!

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Postby Houdini » Thu 15.03.2007, 17:37

Brian,

You have a PM!

You have my full support of all my Garrett connections including a donor exhaust manifold, turbo parts, 3D printer, supplier info, etc., etc.!

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Postby Doug » Thu 15.03.2007, 19:49

cha-ching

go for it Brian
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Postby Paul.P » Thu 15.03.2007, 22:11

Yea, go for it Brian !
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Postby Ekapol » Thu 15.03.2007, 23:54

Dico wrote:It all sounds good, can't help with any technical info though.

Count me in on the group buy :P


:agree: I know my turbo has a spinning thing inside. :? It looks kinda shiny under the hood. :smt017

On the dash I have another thingy with the needle that goes up and down. :smt031
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Postby F1 LOTUS » Fri 16.03.2007, 02:02

Houdini wrote:Brian,

You have a PM!

You have my full support of all my Garrett connections including a donor exhaust manifold, turbo parts, 3D printer, supplier info, etc., etc.!

,Russ


Boll@cks! I'm rapidly running out of reasons to not go through with this :shock: why do LEC people have to be SO helpful :lol:
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Incidently...Is it just my car, or does everyone else only have 8 studs holding the exhaust fanimold to the head - mine doesn't have one at the pulley-end of the motor :? - probably a pig to get at, but, what's new :)
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Postby Enright » Fri 16.03.2007, 09:12

F1 LOTUS wrote:Incidently...Is it just my car, or does everyone else only have 8 studs holding the exhaust fanimold to the head - mine doesn't have one at the pulley-end of the motor :? - probably a pig to get at, but, what's new :)

You mean the one hidden by the PAS pump?
Mine has a stud there, and yes it is a pig to get at - I remember the scraped knuckles when porting my wastegate! :roll:
If you can undo the nuts, and then get the right sized socket on each stud and extract them from the cylinder head, it will make the job a lot easier.
After 15 years the turbo is practically welded to the exhaust manifold, and is a cow to gain access to in order to unbolt in situ.
There's also not enough space between the turbo and the bodywork to slide the whole lot forwards and off.
So the key is removing the studs first.
Make no mistake, it's still nasty!
To remove the pre-cat and turbo in order to port the wastegate, I had to shift the PAS and aircon pumps and the dipstick out of the way.
It even got to the point of unbolting the anti-roll bar. And that's before I start going on about snapped fasteners. Talk about project creep - nightmare.
Striking fear into the hearts of duplicate posts everywhere...! :P

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Postby dapinky » Fri 16.03.2007, 19:34

Enright13 wrote:
F1 LOTUS wrote:Incidently...Is it just my car, or does everyone else only have 8 studs holding the exhaust fanimold to the head - mine doesn't have one at the pulley-end of the motor :? - probably a pig to get at, but, what's new :)

You mean the one hidden by the PAS pump?
Mine has a stud there, and yes it is a pig to get at - I remember the scraped knuckles when porting my wastegate! :roll:
If you can undo the nuts, and then get the right sized socket on each stud and extract them from the cylinder head, it will make the job a lot easier.
After 15 years the turbo is practically welded to the exhaust manifold, and is a cow to gain access to in order to unbolt in situ.
There's also not enough space between the turbo and the bodywork to slide the whole lot forwards and off.
So the key is removing the studs first.
Make no mistake, it's still nasty!
To remove the pre-cat and turbo in order to port the wastegate, I had to shift the PAS and aircon pumps and the dipstick out of the way.
It even got to the point of unbolting the anti-roll bar. And that's before I start going on about snapped fasteners. Talk about project creep - nightmare.


It's so much easier with the whole head on the bench :-D

(just a shame i needed to do that!)
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...oh, and a 2006 Freelander destined for the jungles of The Gambia - 4500 miles across roads, desert and tracks - what could possibly go wrong?
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Postby F1 LOTUS » Fri 16.03.2007, 19:55

Oddly enough, removing just the exhaust manifold from the head was surprisingly easy, all 8 nuts were barely finger-tight :shock: [and the joint never leaked]. I needed to unscrew the dipstick tube but that was all :?
One of my aims will be to make the assembly / accesability much easier than the stock turbo...
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Postby dapinky » Fri 16.03.2007, 20:08

Brian,

That seems to be a trait of the car - both mine and Paul Watkins exhaust nuts came off really easy (surprising really when you see all that rust on 'em!) - and the studs came out easy as well!
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...oh, and a 2006 Freelander destined for the jungles of The Gambia - 4500 miles across roads, desert and tracks - what could possibly go wrong?
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Postby F1 LOTUS » Fri 16.03.2007, 20:52

I think it's done on purpose to sucker you in to do more work; then when you least expect it... :smt022 :banghead:
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Postby chris.t » Fri 16.03.2007, 21:43

ditto about the stud btw
Could the 'Hokey-Cokey' actually be what it's all about?
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