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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby theelanman » Thu 05.11.2009, 18:05

theelanman wrote:also interesting that I text the guy selling it cheaper and Ive just had a txt back asking me to ring him in the morningn to talk about it......
mmmmm......now wondering who has the car and where.....
I wonder if theyre selling it for someone?????........try to get a name and address off the log book when you pop in to see it......:)

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ps I'll ring the guy in redhill tomorrow and let you know what he says..........:)


quick interim update.....
he was busy when I spoke to him earlier so he's ringing me back tonight.......anything particular anyone wants me to ask....
Im just gonna ask the usual......tax..mot..service...belts....history...owners...work done...upgrades...exhaust...bodywork...accident damage...hood seals....a pillar seals....brakes.....

expectin the call about 6.30pm :)
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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby The Ref » Thu 05.11.2009, 18:17

theelanman wrote:
theelanman wrote:also interesting that I text the guy selling it cheaper and Ive just had a txt back asking me to ring him in the morningn to talk about it......
mmmmm......now wondering who has the car and where.....
I wonder if theyre selling it for someone?????........try to get a name and address off the log book when you pop in to see it......:)

cheers
G

ps I'll ring the guy in redhill tomorrow and let you know what he says..........:)


quick interim update.....
he was busy when I spoke to him earlier so he's ringing me back tonight.......anything particular anyone wants me to ask....
Im just gonna ask the usual......tax..mot..service...belts....history...owners...work done...upgrades...exhaust...bodywork...accident damage...hood seals....a pillar seals....brakes.....

expectin the call about 6.30pm :)



Go for it :twisted:
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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby theelanman » Thu 05.11.2009, 18:27

also just done a quick search thing on the DVLA

The enquiry is complete

The vehicle details for M15 DRL are:

Date of Liability 26 05 2009
Date of First Registration 01 02 1995
Year of Manufacture 1995
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1588CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour RED
Vehicle Type Approval null
This vehicle can be licensed at a DVLA Local Office without the V5C Registration Certificate
The information contained on this page is correct at the time of enquiry.
Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £104.50
12 Months Rate £190.00


looks like its been off the road for 6 months then......another helpful point for doing a good deal.....
I'll probably tell him we're looking to spend tops £6k...and see how far he will come down......
or I could say Ive got £5k then when chris.t turns up n offers him £5.5k he may take it...lol :)
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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby theelanman » Fri 06.11.2009, 11:54

in answer to my questions.....
its an unmessed with car but he didnt know if the belts had been done....so thatd need doind as a matter of course........
as far as the price...he said the ad Id seen was wrong but that he wouldnt have a problem selling for £6995...as that was the price Id seen and 'hey we dont need to argue over £500'
he and the car seem ok......
did chris.t get down there the other day?....wot the visual verdict?
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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby bobbrown » Fri 06.11.2009, 12:51

There may need to be some care as if he thinks there are a lot of people interested he may well not drop his price as much as one would hope.
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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby chris.t » Fri 06.11.2009, 17:14

OK went to look at this car today and have the following comments.

Good points

1. Remarkably few stone chips
2. Service history ok last service in 2007 though but no indication of belt changes etc. Only a couple of receipts from Lipscombe Lotus.
3. Interior good, seats showing the sort of wear for 60k miles
4. Tyres reasonable amount of tread left
5. Drives straight
6. Very few rattles and squeaks for an Elan
7. Shut lines generally ok – see bad points no.2 though
8. Actually red not pink!
9. No play in steering



Note forgot to check toolkit/jack and space saver
Pioneer radio front not with car but isn’t lost just removed for security.
Did not check window operation.

Bad points

1. Headlight o/s shut lines not right.
2. Bumper section slightly skewed.
3. Lotus bonnet badge badly damaged.
4. One alloy wheel kerbed (repaired) others show signs of corrosion but repaired. Repair standard adequate unless you get close.
5. Although receipts show that silencer box is 2 years old it is rusting, doesn’t look like a very good quality.
6. Slight lifting of lacquer on spoiler.
7. Front bumper slight graze.
8. Repair to roof fabric, about 25mm long. Looks like rubbing from the frame
9. Lack of boost from turbo, gauge reads sub .5 bar
10. Brakes usual oem stopping ability ie poor
11. Clutch bite right at the top of the travel.
12. Drivers seat didn’t go back far enough
13. Handbrake requires adjustment.


Other points of note.

1. Not many receipts
2. One receipt showed that the floor pan o/s had to be repaired. This could explain why the seat wouldn’t go back far enough.
3. Lipscombe Lotus have done the last couple of services http://www.lipscomb.co.uk/lotus.
4. Car has got a current MOT – didn’t check tax doh. (probably hasn’t because had to use trade plates on test drive).
5. Car has been registered abroad – Germany/Austria??
6. Engine show signs of salt corrosion. Need to check under car metalwork!
7. Vendor flexible on price but is prepared to wait until next spring to sell if necessary.
8. Would suggest a B+C service.
9. Give Lipscombe Lotus a call to ascertain if car has had any front end damage and under car damage.

I have got a load of fotos and i'll upload them onto photobucket later. Sorry about the rambling notes but i've just jotted for expediency.
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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby Tannerman » Fri 06.11.2009, 17:17

I think he will take 6k....
1.Not taxed or been on the road for 6 months
2. Convertible for sale in winter.
3.Christmas just around the corner, not many people with 6k burning a hole.
4. Realistically he would have to keep this till mid march if he wants to get a better chance of a sale and then it is another year older.

I would take £500 cash as a deposit to show how serious you are....Good luck :-D
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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby bobbrown » Fri 06.11.2009, 18:15

Well done Chris

Most of the bad points are not that major and all adds "grist to the mill" when negotiating the price with a couple of exceptions.
1.Roof although a common fault (mine is stilll on the original roof and no holes).
2. Why the repair to the floor?

May be get him to do the B+C service in with the price + new MOT

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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby chris.t » Fri 06.11.2009, 19:14

bobbrown wrote:Well done Chris

Most of the bad points are not that major and all adds "grist to the mill" when negotiating the price with a couple of exceptions.
1.Roof although a common fault (mine is stilll on the original roof and no holes).
2. Why the repair to the floor?

May be get him to do the B+C service in with the price + new MOT

Bob

don't know about the floor but the work was carried out by Lipscombs - so a quick call to them is in order

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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby chris.t » Fri 06.11.2009, 19:21

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Re: expert advice needed please

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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby chris.t » Fri 06.11.2009, 19:24

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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby theelanman » Fri 06.11.2009, 20:36

chris
was the chap south african sounding??.....just checkin it was the same bloke......
when did you look at the car??.....thurs or friday???
I wouldnt be unhappy at parting with £6k for that....:)
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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby chris.t » Fri 06.11.2009, 21:34

I looked at it yesterday. The fella was English sounding and didn't strike me as a Jack the lad. However his name is Westley Waller :? which isn't a name you come across to often.

I reckon he will defo move below 7 but i doubt below 6.5

Re getting the B+C service thrown in - I would want it done by someone who knew what he/she was doing.
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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby theelanman » Fri 06.11.2009, 23:16

mmmmm.....
this is getting stranger......as the guy I spoke to also threw in that he'd had some work done at bell n coalville.....
might be worth askin bells and lipscome if and what they know of the car......
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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby chris.t » Fri 06.11.2009, 23:36

ahh something i forgot to mention. They had a problem with the EML coming on at 3.5k rpm. Turns out it was a vacuum pipe which they bought from B&C - no mention of them doing the work. It was to do with the turbo. Westley couldn't tell me what the pipe was. Needless to say its fixed now but I feel that the turbo is not boosting properly, seems to be missing about .2 bar if you know what i mean. As they said they'd fixed it I didn't mention it :|
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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby KarenW » Sat 07.11.2009, 07:26

Thanks again Chris T, what a list! I suppose with any older car there are going to be question marks over various bits but should I be a little wary about this one? I dp have the probelm of not being able to physically collect the car until December and from what everyone has said that could be a good time to make a cash offer? The Blue S2 (reg N936 RPA) on Auto Trader looks good, right age etc. (to my untrained eye) and is only 70 miles from me here so I could very easily get there and back without making any excuses. I think someone said it had been up for more money prior to this advert - so maybe worth a look?

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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby rip » Sat 07.11.2009, 08:51

chris.t wrote:Actually red not pink!


I thought S2's didn't fade to pink like SE's/NA's?

I would want to know why the turbo doesn't boost. It could be simple or expensive. It's a shame you didn't Elanscan it, Chris. I guess that would have been a bit cheeky though?
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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby bobbrown » Sat 07.11.2009, 09:32

Chris

Did you get all the details for the register if it is not on it?
Is N936 RPA on the register? if so any history. one owner from new so he/she should have a full history.
Fancy going to look at another one Chris as N936 RPA looks like it is in Haywards Heath area run across on the A272

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Re: expert advice needed please

Postby chris.t » Sat 07.11.2009, 09:33

rip wrote:
chris.t wrote:Actually red not pink!


I thought S2's didn't fade to pink like SE's/NA's?

I would want to know why the turbo doesn't boost. It could be simple or expensive. It's a shame you didn't Elanscan it, Chris. I guess that would have been a bit cheeky though?

the guy was quite accomodating I'm sure he would have let me, so now I'm a bit gutted i didn't think of it. :evil:
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