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Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help? - FIXED

Postby markv » Tue 02.07.2013, 11:37

Just heard that my Elan has failed the MOT due to Buckled Rear Wheels :(

Does anyone know where I can source two wheels urgently, or failing that, borrow two wheels to get the car through the MOT and back home?

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby HJ2 » Tue 02.07.2013, 11:49

Hi Mark,
Why not repair them?

There are lots of repair shops who heat them up and push them back into the correct shape on a lathe.


Faster and cheaper than new wheels
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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby theelanman » Tue 02.07.2013, 13:12

HJ2 wrote:Hi Mark,
Why not repair them?

There are lots of repair shops who heat them up and push them back into the correct shape on a lathe.


Faster and cheaper than new wheels
Good luck!



not quite sure they could do that in time.....

also when did the trueness of the wheel come in?....
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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby theelanman » Tue 02.07.2013, 13:15

theelanman wrote:
HJ2 wrote:Hi Mark,
Why not repair them?

There are lots of repair shops who heat them up and push them back into the correct shape on a lathe.


Faster and cheaper than new wheels
Good luck!



not quite sure they could do that in time.....

also when did the trueness of the wheel come in?....


is this your usual MOT station?....
I only ask as you could argue they passed them last year......(presuming you've not been offroading in the elan)


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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby muley » Tue 02.07.2013, 13:26

I have a spare set of 16" wheels you are welcome to borrow, but I expect you'll need all 4.

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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby Rob P » Tue 02.07.2013, 14:29

Mine passed it's MOT recently and I have discovered I have a couple of Buckled wheels after swapping wheels around to even the tyre wear out, not that bad but enough to be felt through the steering at high speed.

How badly Buckled are they and as a previous post states could they not be repaired ?
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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby markv » Tue 02.07.2013, 14:40

It's the same MOT station as previous years but it's done along with the service by Steve Williams, so I don't have a direct relationship with the MOT people. Steve's on holiday this week so I can't get any advice from him - we both assumed before he went that it would just be a normal service by his guys as I've never had any major servicing issues with the car.

I must admit it came as a shock - how do the wheels get buckled? I don't thrash my car at all and really can't recall any major high speed potholes or speedhumps over the last year.

Jim - thanks for the offer of the wheels. Is there a reason I might need 4 rather than 2?

Does anyone have any recommendations on repair shops local to Maidenhead?
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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby muley » Tue 02.07.2013, 15:07

Mark,

Keep up at the back there. If you have 15" wheels, my spare set are 16" S2. Surely you'd want the same all round.


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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby muley » Tue 02.07.2013, 15:09

.. or get it MOT'd at my place - they'll pass anything!

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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby markv » Tue 02.07.2013, 16:19

muley wrote:Mark,

Keep up at the back there. If you have 15" wheels, my spare set are 16" S2. Surely you'd want the same all round.


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Is the car driveable with 16" just at the back? As long as it will pass the MOT and I can drive it home I can then find a long term solution
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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby muley » Tue 02.07.2013, 16:45

Mark

Sure, it will be driveable (a lot better than with the spacesaver spare!)

Will it pass an MOT with different size wheels though?

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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby markv » Tue 02.07.2013, 16:57

muley wrote:Will it pass an MOT with different size wheels though?


- The Evora has 18" at front and 19" at rear, but I have no idea whether this is OK on the Elan. Does anyone else know?
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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby muley » Tue 02.07.2013, 17:07

Mark,

Why not ask the tester?

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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby markv » Tue 02.07.2013, 17:14

Good point Jim - I'll get in touch with Steve Williams to find out who they are.
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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby theelanman » Tue 02.07.2013, 17:19

sounds like it should.....

MOT Test of Tyres and Roadwheels
Interior

A tyre pressure monitoring system (TPMS) warning lamp must be operative and not indicating a fault in the system
(On vehicles first used on or after 1st January 2012).

Tyre condition
The reason for failure with respect to tyre wear is:
"The grooves of the tread pattern are not at least 1.6mm throughout a continuous band comprising: the central three-quarters of the breadth of tread around the entire outer circumference of the tyre".

Tyres must be correctly matched with regard to:

Type
Size
Structure
Fitted in accordance with tyre sidewall markings – eg direction of rotation or 'outside' in case of asymmetric tyres.
NB. type or structure but not both.

Tyres on the same axle must be of the same structure and size.
Also examined:

General condition of tyre
Condition of valve
Tyres fail if they have serious cuts, bulges or other damage.
The wear on the tyre is checked with a tyre tread depth gauge to ensure compliance.
The tyres are examined to ensure that there is no fouling with any part of the vehicle, unless part of the steering mechanism design.

Notes:
1. Although under-inflation is not in itself a reason for failure (on vehicles on which the TPMS test is applicable, if a fault is indicated by the TPMS then that will be a fail), a brake test may be inadvisable because of possible damage, and it may affect headlamp alignment. The condition of the spare tyre is not part of the MOT.
2. From 2012, Tyre Pressure Monitoring Systems (TPMS) will form part of the MOT Test. Vehicles on which TPMS was originally fitted will have to have it fully operable. When this test is implemented one faulty sensor will result in a fail.

Wheel condition

Damage
Distortion
Cracks
Distorted bead rim
Securely attached to the vehicle
No wheel nuts or studs missing
An externally fitted spare wheel or spare wheel carrier must not be so insecure that it is likely to fall off.
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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby DavidEJM » Tue 02.07.2013, 20:32

I've got a set of 15's, you can borrow a couple if you like and I'm just up the m40. Only issue would be that they are a bit rough and I don't know how good the tyres are. I can have a look if you can't find any closer you. :D
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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby HJ2 » Tue 02.07.2013, 21:06

Repair takes 20 minutes per wheel ... 8)
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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby markv » Tue 02.07.2013, 23:55

theelanman wrote:sounds like it should.....
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Tyres on the same axle must be of the same structure and size....


Thanks - I'll get in touch with the garage in the morning and see what they think
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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby markv » Tue 02.07.2013, 23:57

DavidEJM wrote:I've got a set of 15's, you can borrow a couple if you like and I'm just up the m40. Only issue would be that they are a bit rough and I don't know how good the tyres are. I can have a look if you can't find any closer you. :D


Thanks for your offer. I'll check out what the garage say about the 16" option first as Jim is just up the road, and then get back to you
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Re: Rear Wheels Buckled, MOT Failed, Can Anyone Help?

Postby markv » Tue 02.07.2013, 23:58

HJ2 wrote:Repair takes 20 minutes per wheel ... 8)


That's good to know - now I just need to locate a repair shop close to home
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