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Turbo V NA

Postby Nick Brough » Sat 03.01.2015, 22:45

Hi,

I suspect this topic has been covered before but my search did not get any information I was after so please be gentle with me, as a recap is always useful :-D

I would be interested in all opinions on the Turbo V NA with in particular if in the real world and for a normal driver is having the power of the turbo a deal breaker.

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Re: Turbo V NA

Postby nicowalker1 » Sat 03.01.2015, 23:52

I can see the benifits of not having the turbo, but for me I love the kick when the turbo spools up. With the elan it is still completly usable as your driving style dictates how and when it kicks in... I got 35 mpg on a run to France yet on a sunny day on country roads 20 mpg and big smiles can be achieved.
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Re: Turbo V NA

Postby rip » Sun 04.01.2015, 14:11

IMO, the Elan's best asset is its handling & next is its open top.
If I had an NA, I would not be desperate to replace it with a turbo.

Having said that, I agree with Nick that having the turbo kick you in the back is a wonderful feeling. I can throw it around a roundabout & floor it, timing the turbo lag perfectly to give me boost as I straighten the steering. Judging this becomes very easy very quickly.
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Re: Turbo V NA

Postby tb10 » Sun 04.01.2015, 14:28

Hi Nick,

I agree with Nicowalker's and Rip's assessment of the two cars. I'm fortunate to own both variants and the turbo is exhilarating and is a potential 'points collection facility' but the N/A is great to drive at a more acceptable ** cough ** speeds.

The N/A's exhaust note is not muffled by the turbo (clearly) so the exhaust note replaces the need for a stereo although the turbo sounds nice too. Also from my experience the turbo's are more economical unless the boost is 'always on'!

I love the fact that the N/A's are so rare and on balance if i had to sell a car, it would be a turbo that I'd sell because if i wanted to buy another good turbo variant, I could do so tomorrow but a good N/A would be hard to come by.

I don't suppose this helps at all! :lol:

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Re: Turbo V NA

Postby dapinky » Sun 04.01.2015, 15:43

To add to the discussion......

In my opinion, the driving experience of the Elan is its main attraction (handling and roadholding), followed by it's looks then its practicality.

If i wanted all-out speed, i'd use a different car to start with (or take one of my others out!) - and even with a 'chipped' turbo, you aren't going to see the top speed of many cars off the current production lines, from any manufacturer.

In the real world of driving, the only time a turbo would be preferable to an N/A is on a high-speed overtake, when the power can be delivered a little more brutally (allowing for turbo lag, which is minimal due to the small turbo - but that also means that the power availlable is likewise minimal compared to a larger turbo).

The N/A can be tweeked to give more power if you want it, but after the 'easy' bits of exhaust flow, it gets more difficult/time consuming (and therefore expensive) to increase flow through the engine passages..... I'm sure that there are electronic tweeks possible to the fueling etc through the ECU, but that hasn't been explored in great detail (to my knowledge) due to the limited number of cars on the road - perhaps more has been done in other countries where the N/A engine has been used in other cars????

The N/A has a major advantage in having less parts to wear out, and therefore increased basic reliability - and it has a clock that you can actually see from the driving seat!

I have been on cross-country drives as part of a convoy, and never once felt that the N/As were lagging behind the turbos, over a variety of situations.

Apart from the 'cosmetic' differences (black door mirrors as standard, half-leather seats as standard, non-leather covering on the steering wheel) - all of which can be changed (if they haven't already been looked at), the main difference is possibly lack of PAS as standard - but in my opinion, that is an advantage more than a disadvantage.

I would suggest that a properly sorted N/A (well maintained, and with good suspension components) is no slower than a turbo model in everyday driving, and will give as many smiles as the 'big brother' anyway.

The turbo is easier to tweek (due to the ECU controls), but the geometry of the suspension plays a much bigger part in the speeds which can be maintained around the bends than the engine output.
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Re: Turbo V NA

Postby tb10 » Sun 04.01.2015, 16:45

dapinky wrote:
The N/A has a major advantage in having less parts to wear out, and therefore increased basic reliability - and it has a clock that you can actually see from the driving seat!

I have been on cross-country drives as part of a convoy, and never once felt that the N/As were lagging behind the turbos, over a variety of situations.


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Re: Turbo V NA

Postby Nick Brough » Sun 04.01.2015, 23:40

Thanks for all the info very useful.

There is what looks like a very nice NA Elan at Graham Walkers near me unfortunatly I am 12 months away from buying, tend to plan things well in advance :roll: and need to enjoy my TVR Griffith a bit first. :-D

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