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belching smoke and running rough

Postby 180mph » Sat 18.04.2015, 19:10

Hi newie here but long time lotus nut.

I have just bought a 1991 elan turbo sold as a doerr upper as it had not been run for 7 years.
had it running and it was belching out smoke and firing on a couple of cylinders for about 30 seconds then cut out and wouldnt start again.
I did a compression test all four cylinders spot on 165lb.
I have had timing cover off and timing seems to be correct.
I have replaced plugs, leads, injectors, fuel filter, checked timing and is now running but really rough and belching out smoke.
No fault codes showing.
i have noticed one of the small air filter pipes from the oil seperator is dripping oil into the inlet pipe which feeds the turbo also smells of petrol.
I have taken the oil seperator lid off and that smells of oil and petrol and overflowed when it was running.

Any help would be great.
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Re: belching smoke and running rough

Postby chris.t » Sun 19.04.2015, 15:11

CTS kaputt making the em think the engine is sub zero temp and over fuelling the engine.

ETA smoke is black yes?
Could the 'Hokey-Cokey' actually be what it's all about?
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Re: belching smoke and running rough

Postby Enright » Mon 20.04.2015, 14:32

Do a paper-clip test (check the link to it in the Wiki - see just below the banner on this page).
If no error codes then I would suspect coil packs - they're usually the first things to break down.
You need to try to get the base timing sorted before casting suspicion on anything else - again the procedure is in the Wiki, but I realise that can be difficult if you can't even get it running properly.
Oh and where are you? If you put your location in your profile, you may find someone is close who can help, and you won't have to keep repeating yourself.
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Re: belching smoke and running rough

Postby 180mph » Thu 23.04.2015, 09:04

Hello.

Managed to find the main problem. Enhanced by lotus of little ones caused by the last owner being a complete f t w c a :bonk: .

On putting the fuel injector plugs back on I managed to lose one of the small u shaped clips that locks the plug on. :?: :?: Are these available anywhere or fitted to another car. Would anyone have a couple of spares they would sell and post to me.

Car is here in Normandy France https://bedandbreakfastnormandy.com/

Some excellent information on this site.

Thanks Geoff received the aldl lead. Is there a comparison list to compare results.

Thanks & Regards From Sunny France
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Re: belching smoke and running rough

Postby epipete » Thu 23.04.2015, 10:00

180mph wrote:...... caused by the last owner being a complete f t w c a :bonk: .


I have absolutely no idea what that means, but it made me laugh anyway :lol:
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Injector plug clips source

Postby 180mph » Sat 25.04.2015, 17:41

Hi.

On putting the fuel injector plugs back on after fitting new injectors, I managed to lose one of the small u shaped clips that locks the plug on. Are these available anywhere or fitted to another car.
Would anyone have a couple of spares they would sell and post to me.

Thanks and best regards
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Re: belching smoke and running rough

Postby Ian T » Sun 26.04.2015, 21:28

Mine did the same but I was able to retrieve them with a little telescopic magnetic retrieving tool from Halfords. In my case, it simply sat on top of the inlet manifold and a certain amount of fishing around there with the tool found it.

Might be worth a go in your case?

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Re: belching smoke and running rough

Postby 180mph » Tue 05.05.2015, 19:21

Bought a cambelt kit and injectors from Rockauto.

Got a discount code if any one would like to use it 3098462328373642 saves 5 percent

I did two orders one was shipped by dhl and they charged me import duties on it.

The other came by US mail and royal mail did not ask for any import duty haha.
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Re: belching smoke and running rough

Postby Ian T » Tue 05.05.2015, 19:42

When I ordered two sets of injectors from them last year, they didn't charge duty separately but it appeared the shipping was all consolidated with other shipments and I believe they incorporated the duty in the price / shipping cost for the order and it was effectively (and pretty transparently to me at least) prepaid.

I didn't work it out, but the postage seemed slightly high and probably covered it.

Rice Crispy might be able to use your discount code - he's about to run the group buy for cambelt kits...
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Re: belching smoke and running rough

Postby Brit-Car-Nut » Tue 05.05.2015, 20:00

There is a certain threshold where Duty / Tax and other charges aren't required. In the US, it is around $300.00 per day. The UK seems to be around £60.00. If you keep the parcel cost (including postage) below the threshold, you don't get charged - especially when using the postal system. Companies like DHL, UPS, FedEX and TNT must report all imports and file for the entry charges because they declare the entire load they are importing in one lump price. They then break it down shipment by shipment and they get to collect an additional fee from each recipient for preparing the documentation for consumption entry.
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Re: Injector plug clips source

Postby Brit-Car-Nut » Thu 07.05.2015, 14:42

180mph wrote:Hi.

On putting the fuel injector plugs back on after fitting new injectors, I managed to lose one of the small u shaped clips that locks the plug on. Are these available anywhere or fitted to another car.
Would anyone have a couple of spares they would sell and post to me.

Thanks and best regards

EDIT

The clip I mentioned below is the metal clip that holds the injector into the rail, not the clip for the electrical connector. My apology

The LOTUS part number for the injector retaining clip is A100E6576S which is:CLIP-FUEL INJECTOR (PACK OF 4). Current price is £10.03 - This is for a pack of 4 clips.


Here is a copy of the "Lotus added" pages from my parts book

Fuel Injection Parts.pdf


Manuals Available HERE
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Re: belching smoke and running rough

Postby 180mph » Fri 08.05.2015, 19:02

Thank you for the time that you spent looking
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Re: belching smoke and running rough

Postby Brit-Car-Nut » Sat 09.05.2015, 05:28

I have tried a lot of different searches but couldn't find any plain U shaped clips. The newer sockets seem to have hooks at the open end but there is a youtube posting showing how to make a replacement using a paperclip.

See if this helps: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy2j6tvxCwE

The clip they show making has the extra hooks but the rest might guide you to make something that works. If you can't resolve the issue, you can send me an email with your address and I will post a spare clip. Don't expect it quickly since I am in the US, but I have a few spare injector harnesses that have clips, so...

Maybe someone closer to you will feel like helping and offer you one of their spares.
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Re: belching smoke and running rough

Postby mitreklov » Sat 09.05.2015, 07:17

I did exactly the same when changing my injectors and lost one of the clips. Have a look around the engine bay and if yours is like mine there are 2 unused blue plugs of a similar design to the injector plugs with the metal clip fitted. I removed a clip and transferred it to the injector plug. The blue plugs are lurking on the inner wing between expansion tank and air filter box. If you have AC in your car they may be in use in which case you are out of luck.
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Re: belching smoke and running rough

Postby 180mph » Sat 23.05.2015, 16:24

Hi I have been really busy with work

Found the plugs under the water expansion tank but the clips are a bit different.

Looks like a paper clip job.

Also have a new rockauto discount code if anyone would like to use it 3175513729053213 expires July 19th 2015

Thanks for the offers.
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