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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby CallMeLegend » Fri 26.06.2020, 10:32

How annoying.

Replaced the switch with a known good unit. Still doesn't switch off. Wondering if faulty diode pack/regulator in the alternator could be causing it.
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby GeoffSmith » Fri 26.06.2020, 11:39

As I said before, it is possible but unlikely, however you have ruled out some of the more probable causes. It's probably not an easy thing to do, but I would unplug the alternator and see what happens.
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby CallMeLegend » Fri 26.06.2020, 13:34

GeoffSmith wrote:As I said before, it is possible but unlikely, however you have ruled out some of the more probable causes. It's probably not an easy thing to do, but I would unplug the alternator and see what happens.


That's my next move.

Other than that at the moment I'm stumped.

Wiring all looks to be in good order
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby GeoffSmith » Fri 26.06.2020, 19:44

A couple of questions for clarification Mark:
How do you stop the engine?
What happens when you undo what you did to stop it - does the ignition come on again or does it not come on until you've started the engine?
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby Simon_P » Fri 26.06.2020, 20:09

And have you worked out why the voltage gauge isn't working? And what is the voltage when running?
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby CallMeLegend » Fri 26.06.2020, 22:12

GeoffSmith wrote:A couple of questions for clarification Mark:
How do you stop the engine?
What happens when you undo what you did to stop it - does the ignition come on again or does it not come on until you've started the engine?


I stop the engine by stalling the car (brakes on, in gear, let clutch up gently)
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby CallMeLegend » Fri 26.06.2020, 22:12

Simon_P wrote:And have you worked out why the voltage gauge isn't working? And what is the voltage when running?


Voltage gauge does work
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby GeoffSmith » Fri 26.06.2020, 22:16

CallMeLegend wrote:
GeoffSmith wrote:A couple of questions for clarification Mark:
How do you stop the engine?
What happens when you undo what you did to stop it - does the ignition come on again or does it not come on until you've started the engine?


I stop the engine by stalling the car (brakes on, in gear, let clutch up gently)

Is the ignition still on afterwards?
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby Rambo » Fri 26.06.2020, 22:26

CallMeLegend wrote:
Simon_P wrote:And have you worked out why the voltage gauge isn't working? And what is the voltage when running?


Voltage gauge does work



CallMeLegend wrote:No voltage registering on dash guage so small drain, hopefully alternator regulator.


???
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby CallMeLegend » Fri 26.06.2020, 22:34

GeoffSmith wrote:
CallMeLegend wrote:
GeoffSmith wrote:A couple of questions for clarification Mark:
How do you stop the engine?
What happens when you undo what you did to stop it - does the ignition come on again or does it not come on until you've started the engine?


I stop the engine by stalling the car (brakes on, in gear, let clutch up gently)

Is the ignition still on afterwards?


Yes. I have to disconnected the battery.
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby CallMeLegend » Fri 26.06.2020, 22:35

Rambo wrote:
CallMeLegend wrote:
Simon_P wrote:And have you worked out why the voltage gauge isn't working? And what is the voltage when running?


Voltage gauge does work



CallMeLegend wrote:No voltage registering on dash guage so small drain, hopefully alternator regulator.




???


I ment when the ignition is off, still have a battery light on, unless I disconnect the battery
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby Simon_P » Sat 27.06.2020, 00:51

GeoffSmith wrote: It's probably not an easy thing to do, but I would unplug the alternator and see what happens.
Pretty straight forward to unplug the regulator - same as for an oil filter change, plugging it back in can be a challenge though. That would check the VR, but it is strange that the light doesn't go out when the ignition switch is off - That should make it open circuit? and it is the same feed as the Volt meter which is reading zero (I think!)

CallMeLegend wrote:I stop the engine by stalling the car (brakes on, in gear, let clutch up gently)
Far more relaxing to use the Inertia switch or remove the fuel pump fuse.

Do you have anything using the A/C wiring?
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby CallMeLegend » Sat 27.06.2020, 08:16

Simon_P wrote:
GeoffSmith wrote: It's probably not an easy thing to do, but I would unplug the alternator and see what happens.
Pretty straight forward to unplug the regulator - same as for an oil filter change, plugging it back in can be a challenge though. That would check the VR, but it is strange that the light doesn't go out when the ignition switch is off - That should make it open circuit? and it is the same feed as the Volt meter which is reading zero (I think!)

CallMeLegend wrote:I stop the engine by stalling the car (brakes on, in gear, let clutch up gently)
Far more relaxing to use the Inertia switch or remove the fuel pump fuse.

Do you have anything using the A/C wiring?


A/C ? Do you mean air conditioning?
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby Simon_P » Sat 27.06.2020, 09:29

Yes Air Conditioning, there's a position for the switch which has all of the wiring. It is common to use it to power an accessory. The feed from the ignition switch is common so an incorrectly wired accessory might bypass the ignition switch.
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby Rambo » Sat 27.06.2020, 09:31

That is a distinct possibility knowing Stevo :shock:
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby Simon_P » Sat 27.06.2020, 09:55

Rambo wrote:it should be reading 12+V at rest and ~14 +V with the engine on

Simon_P wrote:With a meter measure the voltage with the engine running.

Simon_P wrote:And have you worked out why the voltage gauge isn't working? And what is the voltage when running?

CallMeLegend wrote:Voltage gauge does work

The suspense is killing me!.. Answers on a postcard? :wink:
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby Simon_P » Sat 27.06.2020, 10:01

I might be wrong but it looks like 13v with a +-0.1v ripple. Interesting? ;-)
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby CallMeLegend » Sat 27.06.2020, 10:59

Simon_P wrote:
Rambo wrote:it should be reading 12+V at rest and ~14 +V with the engine on

Simon_P wrote:With a meter measure the voltage with the engine running.

Simon_P wrote:And have you worked out why the voltage gauge isn't working? And what is the voltage when running?

CallMeLegend wrote:Voltage gauge does work

The suspense is killing me!.. Answers on a postcard? :wink:


As soon as I can get to the car I'll check. It's kept 65miles away at the moment.
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby CallMeLegend » Sun 28.06.2020, 19:34

Voltage when engine running is a slowly rising 12.29v rising to 12.48 after a couple of minutes.

Voltage gauge on dash is working.
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Re: Causes Of Ignition Not Turning Off

Postby Rambo » Sun 28.06.2020, 20:02

Your alternator isn't working ccorrectly as I suggested previously :? You should get ~14+ V across the terminals. Immediately and not a gradual increase as you are experiencing.

I suspect your regulator/diode pack.There have been mutiple examples of alternators packing up in recent times
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